Dave Lindorff: Spoiling the Party: Clinton and the Michigan and Florida Votes

Let's at least make one thing clear: Hillary Clinton's claim that she is ahead in the popular vote for the Democratic nomination, based upon her having "won" the renegade "primaries" in Michigan and Florida, is both nonsense and potentially fatally destructive of the Democratic Party campaign.

First the nonsense. In both states, because the local parties decided to hold primaries out of order and much earlier than scheduled by the Democratic National Committee, those votes did not count, and the delegates chosen will not be counted at the August convention.

In Michigan, Obama honored the rules of the game and asked that his name be removed from the ballot. Clinton, already plotting for a fall-back scheme, left her name on the ballot (her campaign disingenuously claimed they "forgot" to remove it). So it was Hillary against Nobody. Even so, Nobody did pretty well back on Jan. 15, grabbing 40 percent of the vote to Clinton's 55 percent. Moreover, turnout was an abysmal 20 percent. Clearly most Democrats and independents (who in Michigan, unlike in Pennsylvania, were allowed to vote in either party's primary) didn't bother to even go to the polls. It's safe to assume that the Clinton machine in Michigan was quietly encouraging its backers to go cast ballots, too, while Nobody didn't have any campaign staff, and so could not do that, so even Clinton's numbers, such as they are, are questionable. The idea that the results of that joke of a primary could be counted, and that the delegates and vote totals could be assigned to the Clinton column is beyond preposterous.

Florida, where another renegade primary was held on on January 29, is not all that different. In that case, turnout was still low -- just 34 percent -- but unlike in other "real" primaries, where Democrats were consistently turning out in numbers that swamped Republican turnout, in Florida, more Republicans participated than Democrats. That makes it clear that many Democrats simply stayed home, knowing that they were wasting their time voting for a presidential choice. Clearly too, overall turnout was as high as it was not because of the presidential primary, but because there was a controversial and hotly contested measure also on the ballot, and it did count: a proposal to change the state's constitution to increase the homestead tax exemption (it passed by a 2:1 margin). Again, this vote indicates that most primary participants were Republican, since more Democrats were opposing the deduction, because it cuts funds for schools and other services, and more Democrats tend to be renters, for whom the exemption would be no benefit. Both Clinton's and Obama's names were on the ballot in Florida, but while Obama honored a DNC request not to campaign there, Clinton made a last-minute, highly publicized dash to the state before the voting, putting in an appearance at a fund-raising event and getting her name and face in the media. Even with this unfair edge, Clinton only won 49.7 percent of the vote compared to Obama's 33 percent. But even that result is unreliable because John Edwards' name was still on the ballot too, and he garnered 14.4 percent. Arguably, many of his votes, in a real primary later in the season, would have gone to Obama. In any case, it is clear that this was not a valid measure of sentiment among the state's Democratic voters. Clinton, in January, was already a well-known figure, while Obama was still new and unknown, and without any campaigning, it is understandable that voters who did show up at the polls would vote for someone they knew.

I've talked with Florida residents -- very politically active people who would not miss a primary -- who said they stayed home on Jan. 29. As one (a Clinton supporter as it happens) said, "Why go to all that trouble to vote when it doesn't count?" Given that this must have been a widespread sentiment, how can anyone say that the vote that was conducted should now be counted? Again, as in Michigan, it would be more unfair to count that election than to ignore it.

The Clinton machine is demanding that Michigan and Florida voters and delegates be counted. If they were, she'd be competitive in delegates (Obama wouldn't even get any from Michigan, which is absurd on its face!) and could claim to have an edge in the national popular vote, but it would be a sham. Everyone, however, would know this to be a sham. If she went on to win the nomination, everyone would know it was a fraud. Many Democrats and independents would abandon her and the party, and the election would go to McCain.

It seems obvious that this desperate gambit by Clinton -- one which her campaign has been planning on since the beginning -- is a scorched-earth strategy designed to get her the nomination at all costs, including the cost of insuring a Republican victory in November. The media love the idea, however, since, like the continuing pointless campaign in the remaining primary states, is boosting TV ratings just like a World Wrestling "Smackdown" program.

If the Democratic Party were, in the end, to allow the counting of these two unsanctioned and uncontested primaries to determine the party's nominee, and if the result were to reverse the decision of the voters in the legitimate primaries and caucuses, it would be the end of the Democratic Party as we know it.

Hey, hold on! Now I'm thinking maybe this might be a good idea after all!

Hmmmm. Here's an idea: Say Clinton manages to bully party leaders into allowing the Michigan and Florida sham primaries to count, and she "wins" the party's nomination. She would then face McCain, who is himself unpopular among certain factions of the Republican Party -- notably the Huckabee populists, and the Paul libertarians.

Suppose then that Obama, who has already demonstrated his strong appeal among young and minority Democrats and among independents, and who has also demonstrated a remarkable fundraising ability from individual contributors, were to announce that he's running as an independent Third Party candidate, or perhaps as the nominee of some existing third party -- say the Reform Party.

He might just go on to win that three-way race, and in the process reshape the nation's sorry political system.

DAVE LINDORFF is a Philadelphia-based journalist and columnist. His latest book is 'The Case for Impeachment' (St. Martin's Press, 2006 and now available in paperback. His work is available at www.thiscantbehappening.net. Technorati Tags:

Obama campaign is letting Hillary-Co get out of hand....

Anyone besides me getting tired of all the drama, and of Bill, Hillary, Lanny Davis, Terry McCaullife & co. aping Karl Rove ("throw s*** at your opponent and hope some sticks") and cozying up to.. the Evil Emperor of US media, RUPERT MURDOCH himself, or the personification of the VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY himself, Richard Mellon Scaife?

Which (this rant) gives me the opportunity to unload something I've been carrying for 7 years: when Bush, Cheney, Rove, Karen Hughes, and Ari Fliescher accused departing Clinton-Gore White House staffers of "TRASHING THE WHITE HOUSE!" during the January 2001 presidential transition (that is, the crime of vandalism) where were Bill or Hillary to insist that Rove, Fliescher, Bush et al PUT UP OR SHUT UP - PRODUCE SOME PHOTOGRAPHS of the alleged destruction, or stop making the allegations! This Bill and Hill. refused to do... just as they didn't lift a finger to prevent Jim McDougal from being sent to a max security prison, despite his advanced age and heart condition, where McDougal died, alone on a cold concrete floor, in solitary, in max security, denied his heart medication by the tender mercies of Ken Starr's and his "did she or didn't she?" prosecutors.

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ALL that is necessary to shut down Hillary's "Florida!" and "Michigan!!" arguments is run video of her saying that she agreed that Florida and Michigan would not count. Just run those videos, day after day... what Hillary says today is meaningless come tomorrow, if it is to her advantage to disavow what she said today.

Not to mention, there is the little ol' incident of former President Clinton getting a $10 million paycheck.... for lobbying Kazakhistan's Saddam Hussein-esque dictator to cut an oil contract with Clinton's Canadian billionaire buddy....
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html

.......Hillary herself leading the entire Congress in earmarks
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/20306341/

.....Rupert Murdoch Loves Hillary Clinton, Conservative Media Mogul To Host Fundraiser For "Liberal" N.Y. Senator
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/09/politics/main1600694.shtml

....Clinton uses 'Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy' paper to bash Obama pastor
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Clinton_disses_Obamas_pastor_to_organ_0326.html

Something ain't right...

Hey, I'm a Hillary supporter that will definitly vote for Obama if he wins...But the person who made out because Florida and Michigan votes and delagates weren't counted, was Obama...It's understandable why he is cool towards a redo vote...And so are all his supporters...Obama went for the knock-out punch in Ohio and Texas....Hillary survived...He went for the knock-out punch again in Pennsylvania...Although being outspent, by who knows how much, she not only survived, but blew Obama out of the saddle... Now here we are in Indiana...Obama says, Indiana is the tiebreaker...What did he mean by that??..Tiebreaker for what??..I thought he had the nomination locked up??...Since Obama was really whining the way the moderators from ABC treated him, Hillary puts him on the spot by asking for a debate without moderators...(just to make it even)...Obama doesn't want to hear it..He said 21 debates were enough...But we all know the real reason...He's scared ...The Pennsylvania debate drew the highest audiences of any of the debates...To me, that means, people are not tired of them, but instead, want to hear more of what these two have to say...Indiana is going to be a big test for Obama...He can't blame name recognition anymore..Everyone knows who he is...On the second hand, maybe they don't....

MI and FLA

It is unfortunate that the Republican Party had a role in screwing up both of these states' primaries. The Florida republican controlled legislature moved the date and the national Democratic Party punished the Democrats. Here in Michigan, Some weeks before the ballots were to be printed, the Republican controlled senate had an opportunity to have all the names placed on the ballot and chose to block it. The games that are being played by both factions, Clinton and Obama, are unfortunate. Each is trying to game the system to their advantage. Neither should be above criticism. Obama or his people have worked to prevent any serious revote, preferring to keep the delegates of these two key states either uncounted or evenly divided, thereby preserving his current advantage.

The fear card

It seems like black congress people are now playing the fear card but no uproar from the Obama supporters. But if Bill had said something about Obama dividing the party what an uproar we would have heard.

Hillary is the Shill

It is more than apparent at this point that Hillary's biggest financial backers are continuing to give her money not to win, but to spoil Obama's chances. These cynical moneybags have decided that their interests are better served without a true progressive in the White House. Looked at from that perspective, it makes sense that she continues to run and attempt to pull apart Obama. If the Democrats had an ounce of intelligence they would have seen this over a month ago and acted fast to stop it. Now we are not talking about intelligence; we are talking about survival. The Democrats must know that their entire reason for being is on the line. It is crunch time. Put up or shut up. They bailed out when it came time to stand up to Bush and now they are demonstrating the same spinelessness. Jellyfish may be replaced in all metaphors after this Democratic performance.

Counting the votes of the people that voted -

Let's hear it for Clinton Math! Let's take her name off the ballot in the next few primaries. That should even things up fair and square. Actually I would not be surprised if Clinton were the one to run as the Independent.

Talk about math

There was one ballot where the two names were not on. Michigan. That's not a "few".

cj

Obama's lead in delegates came about because the corporate media seemed to fall in love with Obama and demonized the Clinton's( similar to how they fell in love with Bush and demonized Gore). The Red states Obama won will most likely not be won by the democrats. If the Democrats had a winner take all like the general election Clinton would be far ahead (Michigan and Florida would have would have also gone to Clinton). Hillary has also won most of the battleground states that the Democrats need to win. Do you realy believe that the GOP slime machine wants to run against Hillary? Obama is their dream candidate. An African-American with a Muslem name that sounds like Osama, with a spiritual adviser on the You Tube saying Damn America, with a wife saying "this is the first time she has been proud of America", the trial of Obama's long time friend and, and campaign donator Tony Rezco. The The rise of a relatively unknown candidate in Obama has put the democrats chances of victory in much more jeopardy than Hillary's continued fight for the nomination ever could.

Democratic Nightmare!!!!

Is the Media responsible for the Democrats losing the White House again?? I think so!!! But they have been helped by the far left radical wing of the Democratic party. They have made a concentrated movement to call for Hillary to get out of the race. Along with prominent Black leaders. If they succeed in doing that we will lose the White House. This is a article from a prominent Republican Web site. I happen to believe all their talking points. Want to blame someone, blame the Media & Obama for hiding his past from us for a over a year. Worst part of it is, I think there is more to come on Obama. Another startling revelation to me is Obama has donated over $700,000 to Super Delegates & Clinton has donated $200,000. These figures were from last October! No telling what the figures are now!!! Is he buying his delegates?? I think that's a fair question?? Why is this Legal?? Our Politics & elections have become a sick process!!! ""Why the GOP Loves Obama"" ------Republicans this week are breathing a deep sigh of relief. What was seen as a washout for them this coming November — with big losses expected in the House and Senate and a catastrophic loss of the White House — is now shaping up to be less ominous. With the Democrats moving to pick Sen. Barack Obama as their nominee, the Republicans see a real opportunity to keep the Oval Office in GOP hands. There is no question that the Republicans had viewed Hillary Clinton as the most formidable of the Democratic candidates. During one of the primary debates, Obama suggested that the Republicans were “comfortable” attacking Hillary, suggesting they actually wanted her to be the nominee. Au contraire. Republicans were attacking Mrs. Clinton because they believed she would be the nominee. They could hardly foresee Obama’s rise. Indeed, she was the Democratic front-runner and hence the focus of their attacks. Now, Obama is discovering that he’s the focus of Republican scrutiny, with John McCain highlighting Obama's accommodationist views with tyrants. The glee seen in GOP eyes this week can be chalked up to the clearly visible fault lines shaping up for the November election, a seismic battle between McCain and Obama. There are many reasons the GOP would rather face Obama. Here are some of the best reasons: Obama is the risky liberal. Every time the Democrats run a liberal like Obama, who the National Journal reports has a 100 percent liberal voting record, they lose. Remember President McGovern, President Dukakis, President Kerry? Mrs. Clinton, however, has been quite clever in her record and rhetoric to come across as more moderate. In New York state she consistently won hardcore Republican districts in her two Senate races. A McCain insider told me this week that Obama’s support — for example, for driver's licenses for illegals — is worth at least “five percentage points in the election.” Mrs. Clinton was smart enough to back away from that hot-button issue. Obama energizes Democratic voters. It’s been talked about quite a bit that Obama is a charismatic man who energizes young voters. But young voters notoriously don’t vote. Remember all the hoopla in the last election with MTV and its “Vote or Die” campaign to bring out antiwar young voters for President Kerry? Indeed, Obama, as the first African-American candidate of a major party, will energize black voters. But don’t the Democrats know that black voters vote as a bloc for them already? What does Obama actually bring to the table for Democrats? It’s not clear. Mrs. Clinton, as her longtime critic Dick Morris likes to point out, would have most assuredly energized women voters, especially millions of single moms that have never voted before. Obama’s Latino problem. Clearly Latino or Hispanic voters are shaping up to be the key swing vote in this election, as they have been in recent elections. Some political pundits say George Bush’s come-from-behind win in 2004 was due to the solid 40 percent of Hispanics who voted for him, tipping the election in his favor. This year was shaping up to be a terrible year for the GOP vis-à-vis Hispanic voters. But in primary after primary, Obama has had great difficulty winning over Latino voters. Even in Illinois, where he beat Hillary to 2 to 1 in the primary, he only captured 52 percent of his home state’s Hispanic vote. There are a variety of explanations for Obama’s Latino problem, including the belief there is an ethnic rivalry between Hispanics and blacks. Hispanics would like to see a Latino president in the White House, so the theory goes. Mrs. Clinton, on the other hand, has done extremely well among Latino voters, perhaps owing to her husband’s likeability among these voters. The recent primaries show Obama improving with Hispanic voters. Republicans, however, believe the problem with this key group will persist. And then there is John McCain, who is the one Republican who is very well liked by Latino voters. He’s also a strong leader, which Hispanics respect. He’s pro-immigrant. As we all know, McCain joined Ted Kennedy in backing the recent immigration bill. There’s little doubt Hillary could keep the Democratic stranglehold on Latino voters. Obama won’t. Obama’s naiveté. Don’t forget, America is still in a war on terror. It is doubtful America will be tempted to go for an untested leader, no matter how charismatic he may be. Some have drawn the comparison between Obama and JFK’s election win in 1960 during the height of the Cold War. But the Kennedy-Obama comparison is a weak one. For starters, John Kennedy was a war hero when he was elected president. Obama can make no such claim. Kennedy also had far more Washington experience in Congress and the Senate than Obama. JFK also had his well-known father Joe at his side. And Democrats like to forget this, but Kennedy outflanked Nixon on defense issues, arguing that Nixon was too soft on communism. Obama’s dovish complaints about the Bush administration being too hawkish on terror won’t resonate with middle-of-the-road voters. With good reason, the GOP is feeling better, finding its second wind as it coalesces around John McCain. Despite some differences with the maverick senator, the Republican base will turn out for him. His $12 million fundraising haul for January is just one sign of that. But there are many other reasons the GOP is more comfortable with Hillary out of the picture and Obama as the nominee. First, Obama will not be able to lay claim to the good economic times of the 1990s that Bill Clinton presided over, as Hillary can. And Obama will be a nightmare for Democrats with swing voters in key states. Take for example the highly influential Cuban-American vote that Bill Clinton won in 1992 and 1996 — and was the key reason George Bush beat Al Gore. The Cuban vote has been moving into the Democratic column but they will not go for Obama because he has clearly stated he will open up relations with Castro. Sen. Clinton’s announced Cuba policies take a hard line, which resonates with these voters. And then there are the key Jewish communities in swing states like Florida and Ohio that are already deeply worried about electing Obama to the presidency. Obama has talked openly about sitting down — without any preconditions — with Iran’s diabolical leader Ahmadinejad, who just this week referred to Israel as “bacteria” and has said in the past that the Jewish state is a “disgraceful blot” that should be “wiped off the map.” With the McCain campaign blanketing key markets with TV ads featuring “independent Democrat” Sen. Joseph Lieberman, Obama will be in deep trouble. The Democrats haven’t completely abandoned Hillary. But it sure looks that way. There’s an oft-quoted saying that the Democrats “fall in love and Republicans fall in line.” After this November, we may have to change that to “Democrats often like to run off the side of a cliff and the Republicans love to watch them.”

Don't forget

Hillary was also Jack the Ripper. The fact is she did fund raisers in Florida, but so did Obama. They just were not allowed to talk to the press. Obama also had ads running in Florida on CNN and MSNBC. The excuse was they had to buy them as a package. But don't forget, Hillary was responsible for the Titanic sinking, too.

Obama and his supporters know...

Obama and his supporter used the excuses like "name recognition" and "didn't campaign in them states" as reasons why they did poorly in Michigan and Florida...But we all know now, if there was a redo vote in Michigan and Florida, Obama would lose...I'm curious of one thing...The DNC could not stop Florida and Michigan Legislature from moving the primaries up...How could the redate of their primaries been stopped??..Does the state legislature have the last word??...Could Hillary or Obama have stopped it??..Oh, by the way, both states had record turnouts...

At the time of those two primaries

Name recognition was about all the candidates had going for them because it was so early in the proces,\s so it was Hillary's advantage all the way, because of the media constantly pumping up her candidacy, and to 'accidentally forget' to remove her name from the ballot like everyone else. Ooops! Later after Obama had some time to do some campaigning and be recognized by voters, he started to win everything so there is no reason to believe if MI and FL had been run fairly that he (as well as the OTHER candidates who were still in the race at the time) wouldn't have done better. Probably those poor saps that had to drop out as a result are paying the biggest price. In addition to the DISENFRANCHISED voters of the two states, the ones that didn't vote because they believed what they were told, NOT the ones who voted for some 'unknown reason' in a primary that wasn't supposed to count. Who would do that and why? Who would vote in a 'meaningless' primary???? There is NO fair way to deal with this now at this point, other than to remove Hillary's name from the next few primaries to resemble Michigan's circumstances. And no there was no record turnout, lots of voters stayed home because there was no reason to vote, or so they were told.

In Michigan at least, the Democrats THERE are blaming the DNC

I was in Detroit for a SF con last weekend, and was told by a local Democrat that the DNC "unfairly biased the election towards Obama" by not counting their primary - and nothing I could point out to her about EVERY Dem candidate agreeing beforehand MI wouldn't count under the circumstances could dissuade her from believing that. Think Hillary was plotting all along for this - and hoping to use some working-class "bitterness" and racism to her advantage as is her wont...?

cj

Why does the Obama's campaign continue to block Michigan and Florida from having a voice?

The Michigan Primary was conducted like an election in Cuba

There was only one name on the ballot. The Clinton campaign and their supporters have officially reached cult status. 1. The Clinton's have dominated the Democratic Party for 16 years and are loosing to a black man who no one knew a year ago, yet they complain why HE can't "close the deal?" 2. Math doesn't matter. 3. Rules don't matter. 4. Clinton's negative rating is larger than her positive and her supporters think she can still win in November. 5. The results of her strategy will destroy her own standing with the majority of her party and insure a McCain victory. When her campaign is run by the likes of Mark Penn and she's cozy with Rupert Murdock and Richard Mellon Scaiffe, does anyone else wonder which team she is playing for? The DLC are just pro-choice republicans. 6. Were she not a Clinton and / or a woman, she would have been asked to accept reality months ago. Were the roles reversed, who thinks Obama would still be in the race? Keep your eyes on the prize people. It's the White House, not the convention.

I agree

I am in Michigan and didn't feel comfortable following Mark Brewer's instructions to vote uncommitted, but just had to put some kind of vote out there even though I knew it was worthless, this because I couldn't stomach Hillary back then and can't even more so now. This is true of all of my family members as well. I don't want Michigan's vote to count because there is no way to do it fairly. I don't see it as that big a deal if they don't count us, at least no one is getting an unfair advantage. Besides it looks like the super delegates here would go strongly for Hillary, at least that is what I am seeing. Granholm, Stabenow and loads of other names that may not mean much to most people who are Hillary supporters. Michigan has not had a good Democratic party with the exception of some like Conyer's and Levin in a long time. Sylvia Hayes Redford, MI

MI and FL legislatures blocked our vote

I live in FL and was a John Edwards supporter.

FL has a very republican state legislature and they had no qualms with moving up the primary so that the Dem voters would get pissed off about not having their "votes count."

It was a fake election -- so the results are fake, and should not count.

low turnout has been overlooked

Excellent points about the low turnout. If the DNC had dealt the same punishment as the Republicans and the four main states (IA, NH, SC, NV) hadn't pressured the candidates to do silly things such as take names off of ballots, the Clinton campaign couldn't use this now in the late stages. I actually don't blame Clinton for keeping her name on the Michigan ballot. Besides, there were 4 candidates on the MI ballot.