What About Third Parties?

FINDING A VOICE by Ann Davidow

 

It's easy for single-issue or third-party figures to assume the mantel of moral rectitude and criticize main-stream political candidates for not being tougher about where they stand on issues. The third tier never has to worry about losing an election for being too controversial because they rarely receive enough support to become viable contenders. The best that can be said for most of them is that they may at times be able to open up debate about matters of national concern that would otherwise be left unaddressed.

But no matter what followers of Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney and Bob Barr believe about their candidates, the fact is that, in the end, they are spoilers in elections that can turn on votes they take from the two main-party standard bearers. It is sometimes said that Democrats and Republicans are too close in theory and practice to provide much of a choice - - no question we are in the grip of powerful forces that tend to reinforce governmental conduct that is hard to change. But for third-party advocates to deny fundamental differences between the two major parties is factually incoherent and asserts a purity of purpose on their part that simply doesn't exist.

Ralph Nader, for example, has championed consumer causes for much of his adult life. He helped focus attention on automotive safety and called attention to environmental issues long before it was fashionable. He supports many of the same positions most Democrats do, but is much more voluble about such things as defense spending and corporate domination of our lives and the global economy.

It isn't so much that he's wrong on many of the issues he promotes or that he doesn't have important points to make. It's just that there's a kind of political naiveté and an egotistical stubbornness that prevents him from playing well with others. There were many factors at work during the 2000 election debacle, but those 90,000 votes garnered by Nader in Florida helped hand the White House to Bush. And make no mistake; the Gore-Bush differences were profound.

One can't help wondering what Nader does with himself in the years between presidential elections. What organizational framework does he build during the ‘off season'? How does he advance the cause of his ideals and his party? The inflammatory former congresswoman, Cynthia McKinney, is the Green Party nominee for heaven's sake. So Nader is running on an Independent Party ticket. How strange is that?

On the Libertarian side, candidate Bob Barr is an odd duck. He could almost be called idealistic if he didn't take such consistently self-promoting, ultra-conservative positions. While his association with Judicial Watch may have seemed at times to offer a non-partisan appraisal of questionable political behavior it tended to focus on the misdeeds of liberal office holders. Although he has affiliated since his days in Congress with the American Civil Liberties Union, he is probably best remembered as a virulent Clinton hater and a relentless member of the impeachment team.

His association with the ACLU is understandable in the sense that he is committed to the preservation of personal privacy and individual freedoms. But it is hard to separate what could be described as a sense of fair play from his sour brand of partisan politics. He says the country has engaged in what he refers to as a "racial spoils system" by which he seems to mean that set-asides for women and racial minorities defy the concept of absolute equality. By using Martin Luther King's words that he hoped people would come to be judged "not by the color of their skin but by the content of their hearts" to support his position, he either misses the point or intentionally disregards the striving for equality that inspired the civil rights movement in the first place.

The fact is that none of these candidates have to deal with the pressures of finding enough of a consensus among an electorate of diverse ethnic and socio-economic backgrounds to get elected. They can say whatever they please to whomever they please and pontificate about how they are invigorated by the purist of political motives. But our system is, for better or worse, a two-party system.

Third-party beliefs may sometimes be incorporated into mainstream platforms, but voting for outsider candidates is for the most part an exercise in futility. Only salmon swim upstream to spawn.

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FINDING A VOICE by Ann Davidow

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The "MORAL RECTITUDE" of sellouts

I did not even bother to read your screed. .

The people on the side lines ARE the people with a comment worth looking at.

The guys in the center are selling out just to get there. .

Give us a break Most of us have been smelling the farts of the Democrats and Republicans for DECADES..

NONE of this crap is reasoned it is just "HOW TO WIN". .

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I would thank you to have some thought for how we are going to rid ourselves of a craphead Dem. who wants to put us in a "special holding cell" .

thankx for your wonderful thoughts ... I hope you were well paid .

:D .

well now I have scanned it and I can tell you were paid to say that crap. Thanks for all the Authoritarian help in deciding how to understand what is going on.
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Ideals vs ideologies

Ralph Nader represents the higher levels that people should aspire toward in order to minimize the decline of human values that the two party system has fermented over the years. It ripened in 1980 and has been roiling since then. Reagan, with his so-called "moral majority" sycophants like Falwell and his bigotted republican supporters, ushered in a new era of divide and conquer, pandering to the worst qualities of humanity in order to get support for his presidency. Modern republican, neo-con ideology was born and has been perfected through the two Bush fraudulent elections. Ideology riven with depraved motives has taken the place of ideals that will drive political agendas in the 21st Century. That's why Nader and his followers don't stand a chance. The republican propaganda foisted on a stupid, naive electorate has taken center stage and probably will occupy that space for several more generations.

DAVIDOW IS QUITE CORRECT...

...We can thank Ralph Nader that Joe Lieberman never became vice-president.

Dont' blame Ralph!

Gore/Lieberman WON the election. Both you and Davidow are wrong. The election was stolen by the Republicans and the fascists on the Supreme Court (who incidently were approved by "Democrats") that stopped the Florida recount.

The "Democrats" are not automatically entitled to our votes. If they accept so much corporate money and are so corrupt that citizens don't want to vote for them, they don't DESERVE to win! It's called democracy -- get used to it.

We've got both kinds: Right and Far Right!

The author would condemn us to the choice between the Right and the Far Right. The "Democrats" share most of the Republicans' right-wing values:

1. They oppose a single-payer health care system.

2. They voted for the war.

3. They enabled the fascist in the White House to stay in power.

4. They helped the Republicans overturn the Constitution.

5. They saddled working people with NAFTA and the WTO.

6. They maintained laws (like Taft-Hartley) that prevent the formation of unions.

7. They allowed media consolidation, which told us Iraq was planning a nuclear attack on the US.

8. They maintain laws that inhibit non-corporate-funded parties.

9. They voted for fascist judges on the Supreme Court.

10. They allowed the government to spy on us, and set a precedent that telecom companies that illegally did this weren't charged with anything.

11. They allowed our government to torture.

12. They supported tax cuts for the rich.

These are all right-wing positions. WE THE PEOPLE REJECT YOUR RIGGED GAME! For a real leftist party, see www.gp.org.

Why do the "Democrats" support such reprehensible positions? BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE YOU, ANN DAVIDOW, CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR THEM!

It doesn't work. Vote for the best candidate. The "Democrats" will go where the votes are. Also if the Green Party gets only 5% of the vote, they'll get Federal funding; a fact that has been censored by the corporate media to give third-party supporters a feeling of hopelessness.

It's an ELECTION, not a horse race. We can make progress even if our progressive candidate doesn't win. Getting Federal funding for a progressive party is a WIN! Putting the "Democrats" on notice that their pro-corporate positions will cost them votes is a WIN!

VOTE GREEN!

Alan

Third party candidates could be viable

Third party candidates COULD be viable if the corporate party that has controlled the country for the past 150 years didn't do everything in its power to prevent competition and scare voters into continued support. I wish I had a dollar for every time I heard that a vote for a non-Democrat/Republican is a waste and will only put the worst candidate in office.

The major parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of corporate America have been giving us really rotten candidates for a long time. Those candidates are chosen solely to represent the wishes of the party's owners, not the voters.

I am sick of voting for the lesser of two evils. I encourage everyone to leave your party at home, vote your conscience and vote for the candidate you think could make the country better. If that happens to be a Republican/Democrat, fine. I personally believe that nothing is ever going to change unless we can break the grip of one party rule. If you really want change, change the way you vote.

Query:

How does one wear a "mantel?"

A mantel

A mantel is a one piece cloak from ancient Irish dress. It is not unlike a Scotish Tartan. It can be worn as a cape, over the head, around the waist, or even be used as a maekeshift tent. An all around very versitile garment. The English outlawed them in the 13th or 14th century.

The less(or fewer?) choices the better...

I always say... NOT!!!!! All Good Things, -Alice

Why is Buzzflash giving columns to fascist hacks?

Vote Repug/Dim or else the Dims/Repugs will win and the sky will fall. Yeah right.

Both factions of the fascist party have promised to continue the Iraq war for at least four more years, although one will rename our combat troops to "military advisors" which will no doubt be a great comfort to their widows and orphans.

One presumptive nominee is so opposed to single payer that he has promised to take the existing awful system of corporate health-care and make it compulsory.

One presumptive nominee has promised to increase military spending (i.e. war profiteering) well beyond the insane levels set by Cheney. And the other presumptive nominee is senile.

Half of America won't vote for either of the corporate whores. If the smart half of America voted for Cynthia (or Ralph or Ron Paul) instead of sitting on their thumbs, the war profiteering would be stopped, the war criminals would be prosecuted, and the long long task of recovering from the Repug/Dim looting of America could begin.

At least

you didn't use caps lock this time.

Learn from our history

Look to American history: all substantial progress has come from outside the two-party system. Ever heard of third-party candidate Abraham Lincoln? Thank goodness that American voters didn't listen to wrongheaded advice like this when they voted to end slavery instead of falling for the lesser of evils scam. Do you know how we ended up with emancipation, women's suffrage, social security, the minimum wage, the 40 hour work week, and the right to unionize? We have all these things thanks to people organizing and voting for third parties. The two corporate-sponsored parties co-opted their ideas to ensure their own survival, which is the only principle they actually care about. The word "spoiler" is a term of bigotry tossed about by those who are either ignorant of American history or who have a vested interest in perpetuating the failed two-party system. In a democracy, all candidates are competing against each other for votes, and it is the voter's right to decide which candidate deserves her support. The incredible thing is, for all the whining from the Republicrats about third parties taking what is rightfully theirs, they never admit that there's a simple solution: instant runoff voting. With instant runoff voting, voters rank their choices instead of having to pick just one. If no candidate receives a majority, the lowest vote-getter is eliminated and those votes transfer to the #2 choice on those ballots, and so forth until someone wins a majority. Bam! no more spoiler effect. You can learn more about instant runoff and other common-sense election reforms at www.fairvote.org

"The third tier never has to

"The third tier never has to worry about losing an election for being too controversial because they rarely receive enough support to become viable contenders." Here's an interesting window on implicit partisan elitism if ever I saw one. Don't you realize this is the political equivalent of Barbara Bush saying of the Katrina refugees: "Most of them are disadvantaged anyway, so this is actually working out quite well for them" ? Sorry, but the "third tier" ALWAYS has to worry about losing an election, because the 2-party process is a pay-to-play controlled show. What's more, and as a result, "single issue" and "third tier" advocates are also eternally losing their stake in this democracy, an issue that you would rank in importance beneath the stress suffered by McCain and Obama as they are forced to lie, flip-flop, and equivocate in order to remain viable horses for the big wheels to bet on. What you are in effect referring to is the fact that major-party candidates bear the terrible burden of losing not only elections but the huge financial investments that powerful and interested parties have riding on them. Poor babies.

3rd Party Fantasists

I'm relieved to here somebody say it and say it well. I've known for some time the futility in voting for a 3rd party candidate, but only recently realized the attraction of doing so. Third party candidates remain "pure" only so long as they have no chance of winning. The moment they find they actually have a chance of winning is the exact moment they'll stop being purists and start being politicians, the same kind of politicians idealists love to denounce. Our current form of government is not effectively a representative democracy. Almost no other modern democracy is patterned after ours (only the Phillipines as far as I know). Still, until a revolution (velvet, rose or, God forbid, riotous) results in a re-writing of our constitution, all we can do is play the cards we're dealt. That means working within the two-party system. Remember, when you vote for the lesser of two evils you're NOT ACQUIESCING to the greater of two evils. That matters. A lot. As you point out, remember 2000 and Al Gore.

Yes - It's About Time SOMEBODY Here Said It!

Given all the "I'm voting for Nader b/c I don't trust the (Black) inexperienced, (Black) insufficiently Progressive, (Black) Non-Hillary (Black) sellout Obama!" ranters and nutjobs on here who seem determined to hand the election to McCain, Ann's column is a lonely bastion of unpopular courage.

If more of these people would turn their attention to supporting groups like FairVote or National Popular Vote , both of which are actually attempting to reform the broken and corrupt Electoral College system that guarantees ONLY a Democrat or a Republican will be President, then maybe I'd have less contempt for their shennanigans. But with few exceptions, that would mean they wouldn't have time to screech about how "Obama IS A SELLOUT - and he's Black, too, but I'm not racist for saying so, I'm not I'm not I'M NOT!" rather than actually, you know, doing something to possibly make a third-party Presidential candidate viable.

Pauline Kael was right when she referred to radicals trying to bring down the System as The Ultimate Materialism....

Obama is "black"?

True to form, if someone doesn't sufficiently support Obama, criticizes him, or chooses to support a third party candidate, "Doc" tells us it's because they're really racists.

OMG, Doc .............. I just figured out who you are ............. you're "Michael"! (or maybe Samantha)

Keep beating that dead, imaginary, racism horse, "Doc".

BTW - Obama is "black"? The proper term is "African American", or, more accurately (in Obama's case) "bi-racial". Yet you insist on using the word "black". You must be a racist.

Hello, Yman - Being a Whiny Pointless Twerp Again, I See

Though I'll bet Hillary's Evita posturing for "closure" at the Democratic Convention is REALLY giving you a happy....

So? Have you tossed your vote to McCain/Lieberman yet in another of your immature snitty fits? Or are you scrambling for it back b/c "It's FINALLY HILLARY'S TIME!!!!"

C'mon "Doc" ....

That was hardly worth the click.

As far as voting, at this point there's not much choice. It's gonna have to be the strongest candidate ......Obama. You know, the guy who caved on FISA, the death penalty, expanding the war in Afghanistan, 2nd Amendment/"gun rights", restricting the "mental health" exception for abortion restrictions, pandering to "Christian" evangelicals, NAFTA, 18 month pullout from Iraq, offshore drilling, etc. Did I miss any?

Oh yeah ....................

And giving both Clintons (and and intro from Chelsea!) prime speaking slots at the convention, as well as having Hillary's name in the roll call vote. Hey ..... his choice. He could have prevented it if he wanted to. If you're unhappy about it, take it up with him. I'm sure if his base speaks up, he'll listen to you guys, right?

Just like he listened on that FISA thing, right?

Did I say the strongest candidate?