Obama's Friends?

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

The logic behind Gen. Wesley Clark's 18-word extemporaneity on "Face the Nation" was so extraordinarily self-evident, the pro-McCain right's expressed hostility to it made me wonder just which side of the political spectrum is actually wedded to political correctness. 

Said Clark, not as a plotted offering but as a casual response to a direct question: "I don't think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president."

Join the club, General. I know of no one who argues it is, although naturally there's an army of right-wing propagandists out there that strongly implies exactly that. It's what they do; we've come to expect it. So, in short, who cares? Theirs is largely a sideshow, and likely to remain that way in an election year dominated by day-to-day economic concerns.

Unless, of course, the left chooses to make a tit-for-tat game of it -- to widen the field of propagandistic play by publicly and endlessly renoting not just the subject of Clark's specific logic, but calling into question the broadest possible contours of John McCain's military service.

Yeah, right, now there's a bright idea, with real tactical wits behind it. Let's take a virtually already won election on economics and convert it into a debate on McCain's vastly honored (right or wrong, that's the way it is) military service, none of which his opponent, Barack Obama, has.

Not only that, let's expand its scope by reinforcing in the public's mind the issue of national security, which any and every mention of McCain's military past does, however subtly.

All of which, of course, redounds to the one issue that Obama is assiduously trying to put away with some finality -- the electoral scourge of patriotism and who authentically possesses it.

In a partial pushback to Clark's unplanned but potentially explosive honesty, Obama stressed yesterday in an Independence, Mo. speech that "the question of who is or is not a patriot all too often poisons our political debates, in ways that divide us rather than bring us together. We can no longer afford these kinds of divisions."

Well, Republicans can. In fact, they can afford oodles of them, since they're pretty much all the GOP has to mark up and resell. They're also just about the only thing the American body politic has been buying from the right lately. Obama knows that, so he'd just as soon put this sort of flap to bed, asap.

Yet essentially working in concert with the pro-McCain right are those few on -- what else? -- the pixalated left, to be found, naturally, in their natural habitat of -- where else? -- the wild and woolly blogosphere.

It's friends like these that Obama most decidedly does not need, because their juicier ravings tend to make it into the mainstream press as examples of either leftist extremism or blogospheric mental instability, which the mainstream public would not otherwise ever read.

Yesterday, for example, and probably just for starters, The Politico presented to a vastly larger readership this story, titled "Some on left target McCain's war record":

"Farther to the left -- and among some of McCain's conservative enemies as well -- harsher attacks [than Clark's comments] are circulating," observed The Politico. "Sunday, a widely read liberal blog accused McCain of 'disloyalty' during his captivity in Vietnam for his coerced participation in propaganda films and interviews after he’d been tortured."

And The Politico quoted from the "liberal blog": "A lot of people don't know … that McCain made a propaganda video for the enemy while he was in captivity," wrote the blogger. "Putting that bit of disloyalty aside, what exactly is McCain's military experience that prepares him for being commander in chief?"

What a wretched thing to say, and in print and for the ages, no less -- and which is why, of course, The Politico wrote such a lengthy piece on it.

I'm scarcely referring to the blogger's questioning of McCain's military past as grounds for commander in chiefdom. That's understandable. But to characterize McCain's broken concessions after unimaginable pain and torture as "disloyalty"? That's merely despicable -- as well as groundwork for a whopper of a backlash.

I wish I could report that the blogger retracted that bit of electorate-alienating extremism in his follow-up interview with The Politico, but he did not, so I cannot.  

What I can report, however, is that the Obama campaign surely recoiled in disgust and horror upon reading such leftward "helpfulness." As they say, with friends like that ...

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Speaking of POWs and Torture....

Wonder how John McCain feels about the service to their countries of all those detained in Gitmo and Bagram and Abu Ghraib? Are they all potential presidents of their nations of origin?

I agree with what Clark said

Wes Clark is absolutely correct about McCains POW experience not being a qualification to be president. McCain is a war hero and I surely wouldn't have wanted to trade places with him. My question: if McCain hadn't been a POW, would he ever have been elected Senator and been in a position to run for the highest office in the land? Graduating near the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy isn't anything to make him stand out from others. Flying airplanes in the Navy doesn't do it either. I'm looking for a president who wants to bring our country together politically, shows good judgment and is intelligent. Experience isn't necessary if my other criteria is there.

Vegas rules ...

....Let what happened in Vietnam stay in Vietnam!

PM, you & Buzzflash are missing the point... this is PELOSI...

PM, you & Buzzflash are missing the point... this is Speaker Nancy PELOSI doing the bidding of the Neo-Con/AIAPC/oil-lobby/neo-Confederate War Lobby, and throwing **** at Obama that he must dodge.... or be forever smeared with.

Make no mistake, Speaker Pelosi bringing the retroactive Telecom Immunity, aka "illegal surveillance now retroactively and in future legal", aka "Police state America" bill forward was a legislative ATROCITY that Pelosi brought to the floor SOLELY at the behest of the above Telecom/big-biz/war lobby alliance.

IF Senator O. resists it with his full efforts (as he had previously pledged to do) - HE WILL GIVE THE RIGHT-WING the concrete issue TO HATE HIM from here forward. (Instead of just their generic, amorpheous general brand of fear & loathing.)

Yet another text-book example of the CORPORATE Democrats trying to SNATCH DEFEAT from the jaws of victory.

Pelosi, bowing to the war lobby, is going to cost the presumptive Democratic nominee TENS of THOUSANDS (if not millions) of dollars in ill-will whichever way he moves on this.

Pelosi, kissing up to Bush shortly after she became speaker (google "images" of "pelosi and bush") is, like James Carville, SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY - doing the Right-Wing war-lobby's business, while POSING as a Democrat.

Come on, folks, the Pelosi/Reid/Hoyer/Rockefeller/DLC wing keeps ramming this awful stuff down our throats (making our candidates look bad) year after year after year... and we keep blaming individual candidates, and not the Dem. Party "leadership"!

No harm, no foul

This whole subject is a tempest in a teapot, and I doubt that anyone beyond the blogosphere and the punditry class even cares. Clark's comments may actually be useful, if they get people to stop, if ever so briefly, to contemplate whether being a soldier, either good or bad, qualifies one to be President of the United States. Once that question has been raised in their minds, they will be less susceptible to one of McCain's major themes--that as a former soldier and POW, he is naturally more patriotic and more qualified than Barack Obama to be president. If Ret. General Wesley Clark does not think so, then it may not be true.

Yeah - We REALLY Can't Win by Going Down the Sleaze Road

One thing I always liked about Obama is that he's always been very good at attacking his opponents' positions while not attacking them personally. Unfortunately, it does his image no good if he gets somehow linked to Left-bent swiftboaters impugning McCain's service or patriotism - same as T. Boone Pickens's outfit that gave us the term has become (deservedly, I think) inextricably linked to The Sleazebag That Is Bush. I seriously wonder if so many of us would so deeply loathe Bush now if Rove hadn't given those 527s the high sign in 2004 (well, I would have b/c I've hated the Bushes since George I - but I'm A Special Case, as my shrink keeps saying.... :D )

If those bloggers want to do some real good, maybe they should expose the 527 groups targeting the Obamas - who they are, where they get their funding, what dirt these guys have under their nails like White Supremacist Group or Big Oil connections. Let McCain shoot HIMSELF in the foot, like he keeps doing in his desperate attempts to pander to the Far Right while not alienating the more mainstream voters he needs to win....

Why are you buying this line?

That blogger is no more liberal than Obama is; which may be the problem. By portraying Americablog as liberal, you are helping the MSM skew the "center" to the right, again, leaving real liberals tainted with these ridiculous episodes without actually having our concerns raised at all.

As for the wisdom of raising the military service issue, your opinion seems to be that any deficiencies your candidate seems to have are best dealt with by sweeping them under the rug, as if they weren't going to come back to haunt you later. This also sends the message to the Obama campaign that they'd better shut up about Iraq, or maybe even backpedal on the idea of withdrawal so as to not seem vulnerable on an issue that 70% of the country think he's not liberal enough on!

Instead, it's another episode of "Oh, we can't be mean to the conservatives, or they'll get mad at us" scripted by the same lily-livered pansies we elected in 2006, and haven't done anything but back Bush up all the way down the line. Oh, sorry, they gave us a minimum wage hike that didn't come anywhere close to matching the inflation from the previous 6 years, much less all the way back to the last wage hike. Thanks.

Mudding the Field

Being a tortured prisoner of war is not a deficiency in politics or reality. His military record has enough snafus outside of that captivity to warrant inquiry, much less his mad and flip-flopping congressional record. But PM is absolutely right to criticize liberal bloggers for obscuring the issues that McCain looses on this year with falcacious accusations that are easily shot down.

There is no sane person who does not recognize the gravitas of a former American soldier tortured in captivity as a prisoner of war. Who in their right mind points fingers at them and calls their service into question. It's insane to criticize him for it and politically its just plain stupid. But then we are talking about extremists here, who would cut off their hand to address a broken finger!

Public Service

You said:

Said Clark, not as a plotted offering but as a casual response to a direct question: "I don't think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president." Join the club, General. I know of no one who argues it is,

That's just silly - you've never heard of Starship Troopers published back in 1959?? Won the Hugo in 1960!! Here's the key:

Rico's high school History and Moral Philosophy course, which describe how, in the Terran Federation, the rights of a full Citizen (to vote, and hold public office) must be earned through voluntary Federal service. However, the franchise cannot be exercised until after honorable discharge from the Service, which means that active members of the Service cannot vote .

I.E. here's a whole book arguing that federal service (getting in a fighter plane) should be a requirement not just to hold office but to VOTE. And I think Heinlein got it right. The only way to avoid Alexis de Tocqueville's observation:
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. Is to require BOTH voters and office holders to prove, by public service, that they care more about society than themselves.


I do NOT want to live through Atlas Shrugged!

Heinlein?

I liked most of Heinlein's fiction, but his sexual fantasies mostly covered a very hard core semi-Neocon/semi-Libertarian political philosophy. Were he alive today I think he would be among the 20% backers of Bush, and certainly backing John McCain. Reading his nonfiction is very much and eyeopener.


If the Gang Of Pirates think that the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat, only a fool would think it bipartisan to accommodate them by acting the part.

Heinlein...?

I like reading Heinlein too - but I don't think it's wise to take my political philosophy from a man who supported public floggings (also in STARSHIP TROOPERS) b/c he had a corporal punishment kink (not that there's anything wrong w/that between consenting adults). If Heinlein's views on "service equals citizenship" had been enshrined as U.S. law, then Women and Gays would have never gotten the vote - and I'll bet Blacks would have been somehow excluded from Federal Service as well.

Besides, that's all moot since this is a dismissive statement by a General over a hotdogging but well-connected junior officer who got his ass in a crack. WEB Griffin's war novels are full of guys like John McCain - colorful and fun to read, but you SURE can't trust them with anything important! Hmm - maybe we should get Griffin to say something to that effect.... ;)