Neoconservative Claptrap

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

There's no good reason why you should give one solitary hoot as to what the New York Daily News thinks about the recent Bush-Obama "affair," but since its editorial mirrored what a much larger community of neoconservative voices is saying and will persist in saying, it's worth taking a look at. It's a sad and early sign of what's to come, lots of it.

The paper said Barack Obama "is stuck with" a problem: "that during this campaign he did in fact say, and moreover did in fact say several times, that as President he would be entirely willing to sit down with Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other rogues with no preconditions whatsoever." Just in case the flat "no" preconditions wasn't clear enough for you, "whatsoever" was added.

"That is why," the editorial continued, "for a second day Friday, the customarily unflappable Obama rather flappably chose to go on a tear over President Bush's remarks to the Israeli Knesset. He called those remarks 'appalling' and 'divisive' and much else, presenting himself as the victim of an untoward attack. He is no such thing."

In a way, the Daily News was correct on that last point. Because, as things soon became clear, Obama was far less a victim than a deliriously happy recipient of Bush's attack, since said attack was so mammothly stupid. Only afterward did the White House realize just how stupid, so only afterward did defensive rhetorical inventions such as the Daily News' neoconservative editorial become necessary.

Its principal invention in defense of Mr. Bush was the ho-hum approach. The president said, said the Daily News -- and this is stated emphatically three different times in three different ways -- nothing untoward. (The editors did not add "whatsoever," however, throwing their full-throated adherence to this claim into question.)

Raising the spectre of Hitler before the Israeli Parliament, denouncing domestic opposition abroad and characterizing that opposition's position as scurrilous "appeasement" -- none of this was deemed "untoward." It was, rather, or as the Daily News and similar outlets would have you believe, just another crack foreign-relations day at the office.

I'm still waiting for Bush's defenders to cite one specific example, or even one roughly similar occasion, in which a president of the United States stood on foreign soil and excoriated his own, or his would-be successor's, domestic political opposition as Chamberlainesque in cause and Hitlerian in effect.

None was offered by the Daily News, although one would think such offerings would abound -- it was, said the paper, "nothing that has not been said many times, by Bush and by others" -- in any legitimate defense.

Also stated as fact was that Ahmadinejad -- who, by the way, is not the ultimate power in Iran, which was left conveniently unstated -- "intends to attain nuclear weapons to get the job [of vaporizing Israel] done."

It's just as simple and straightforward as that, no questions asked or skepticism raised. This Superman of an enemy will single-handedly build or "attain" a bomb and single-handedly drop it on Israel, with no other Persians intervening at any time to avert his nationally suicidal behavior.

Ah, to live in the clean, simplistic, black-and-white world of the right, where never a complication arises in argument.

But I have saved the best of the Daily News for nearly last: "Obama has said he would treat unconditionally with Ahmadinejad. While far short of appeasement, that's a problem."

Sorry ... excuse me ... coming through ... 

We were first told by the paper that what Bush charged -- "appeasement" -- was not only a rather commonplace attack for a president to launch, but, in this instance, an entirely appropriate one -- one that in no way was unfair or "untoward." Remember? Well, now, several paragraphs later, we're told that the policy which Bush attacked was, after all, something "far short of appeasement." 

So it was appropriate for Bush to attack Obama for holding a position he doesn't hold and never has. And, it would seem, it's appropriate for Obama's opponents to belittle him as a "flappable" whiner when he quite appropriately strikes back. Furthermore, it's appropriate for the Daily News to write a blistering editorial based on an argument never made.

Given all that, here's the even better of the best from The Daily News: its final, three-word editorial judgment on this matter -- that Obama possesses "insufficiently formulated thinking."

Oh, the irony of it all. Do you see the irony? I see the irony. Or should we just call it sufficiently formulated claptrap.

Unfortunately, we're in for five, uninterrupted months of it.

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I say there...

The martial rhetoric of the manly man, bow tie, old school, preppy mocking classes never changes. It's too bad they rarely ever put their swords where there pens are.

Please, Stop the Drama !!

The funniest thing I ever saw,
Was Hillary's backers, scratch and claw.

They cannot win, you know its true,
That is why, they act so blue.

They tell tall tales, make up lies,
The average voter, they do despise.

The game is over, they cannot win,all they have left, is hopeful spin.
Republican lite, with centrist babble,racist comments, lies of battle.

Yet they won't quit or go away, Make Obama lose, is the game to play.
The reason they do so is really clear, A Black President is what they fear.
Make him lose or go away, So Hillary can try another day (2012).

If they get their way America will lose, Four more years of Bush type views.
A loss of freedom, maybe no return, the Middle East will really burn.
Americas children will keep on dying, the economy will have us all crying.

So go ahead you Hillary lovers, We see you clearly, your not our brothers.

your brothers?

you can say that again, bill

Time to Show Your True Colors

Neither Clinton nor Obama would have been my first choice as the Democratic nominee. I admit, Clinton was my least favorite candidate - An opinion based not on issues of gender, race or personality, but based on her pro-war, pro-corporate voting record. However (Now listen up here!), if Clinton became the nominee I would have unhesitatingly voted for her in November. What else would I do? Stay home?? Vote for McCain, fer Chrissake??? I can't tell you how depressing it's been watching the Obama and Clinton camps trashing each other. Supporters of Obama were "cultists" and "chauvinists". Clinton supporters = "racists" or "DINOs". Worse, fanatics on both sides promised to NOT SUPPORT the other candidate in November.

But now that it appears that Obama will be the nominee, EVERY concerned American should rally behind his candidacy. And all disappointed Clinton supporters who switch their votes to John McCain will be revealing their true colors: They are either A. Racists B. Ignorant or C. Closet Repugs.

All of these things

"They are either A. Racists B. Ignorant or C. Closet Repugs."

Clinton supporters are all of these things, and they should all be arrested and hung on a cross for not being behind Mr Barrack all along like we have been. We can do without the 50% of the voters that are for Clinton. And no American will vote for anyone except our savior, or they should have their right to vote taken away.

We sould end secret voting so we can tell who is with us and who is against us, so we can stop those who don't agree with Mr Barrack from ever voting again. We cannot afford to have dissenters anymore in this country. You are either with Obama, or you are agianst America.

I Have to Give You Credit, O-B.......

You are, by far, the most clever of ALL the (presumably) Hill supporters I've seen on here. You pretend to be an Obama supporter by your colorful little name and comments.....

and it has protected you from closer consideration or scrutiny---but the truth is...I've checked you out. You are no Obama supporter; in truth, you are a very shrewd Limbaugh transplant, (or Repug), definitely cloaked in wolf's clothing here--because you gotta know you create more problems than you help to resolve.....but then, thats your "mission" here anyway, isn't it?

and although you use sarcasm well, heavy-handedly,..but, well. THAT is what blew it for you...there is no way you could support Obama, (or any Democrat), and make the outlandish statements you're so fond of lobbing---like hand-grenades!

To make the kind of comments you've made, only serves to do what coaches use to tell us in high school and college---"don't say, or give them anything to plaster on their lockers"--you, my friend, have given Hillary's supporters a virtual Billboard!

The only reason, I suspect, that they haven't exploited your crazed idolizations is...

I don't think they (HRC supporter's) believe, either, you are....who you say you are.......

Wrando123, The New Republic

(TNR) is an American magazine published twice per month (published weekly before March 2007). . . Weekly BEFORE March 2007? Is that due to loss of "PROGRESSIVE" readership? I would contend that it is! Why? "The magazine's outlook is associated with the Democratic Leadership Council and "New Democrats" like former President Bill Clinton and Connecticut Senator Joseph Lieberman, who received the magazine's endorsement in the 2004 Democratic primary. These policies, while seeking to achieve the ends of traditional social welfare programs, often use market solutions as their means, and so are often called "business-friendly." Typical of some of the policies supported by both TNR and the DLC during the 1990s were increased funding for the Earned Income Tax Credit program and reform of the Federal welfare system. . . . Unsigned editorials prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq expressed strong support for military action, citing the threat of WMD as well as humanitarian concerns. Since the end of major military operations, unsigned editorials, while critical of the handling of the war, have continued to justify the invasion on humanitarian grounds, but no longer maintain that Iraq's WMD facilities posed any threat to the United States. In the November 27, 2006, issue, the editors wrote: 'At this point, it seems almost beside the point to say this: The New Republic deeply regrets its early support for this war. The past three years have complicated our idealism and reminded us of the limits of American power and our own wisdom.'" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Republic Anyone, the Clinton's, LIEberman et al, associated with the DLC-NOT DNC, and "New Democrats"-is "REPUBLICAN-LITE"! The DLC also includes REPUBLICANS'! C.Douglas Kouka Allen

Obama supported Lieberman too

Don't we all support Lieberman? Mr Barrck rallied supporters in Connecticut to support him. Doesn't that mean that we support Lieberman and the New Republic? I am getting very confused by all this stuff. Whose side am I on?

Obama rallies state Democrats, throws support behind Lieberman - Boston.com U.S. Sen. Barack Obama rallied Connecticut Democrats at their annual dinner Thursday night, throwing his support behind mentor and Senate colleague Joe Lieberman. http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2006/03/31/obama_rallies_state_democrats_throws_support_behind_lieberman/

O-B.....

Read my above post about yourself----THIS POST TOTALLY PROVES THE VALIDITY OF MY THEORIES ABOUT YOU.

(or you're just plain dumber than a trunk of rocks......I'm not sure I want to rule out THAT possibility just yet)

straw man

Every time BO's people are presented with the facts that don't jive with the myth of their guy a straw man is presented. If you read the article you might debate the content, but that would be impossible, because it exposes Obama for his dirty tactics. We all know that's not the story line you want pushed. Now we also know how corrupt our media has become, why are they so friendly to Obama? Bill

US politics is not "American Idol"...

...unless we make it so. You seem to be saying that McCain/Liebermann would be your second choice after Clinton, apparently solely on the basis of hurt feelings and wounded pride. Are you people insane? Is it all about celebrity and ego to you? What about issues and the future of this country? You may not know it, but you suicide-supporters of Clinton - who threaten to vote for a third neocon GOP regime rather than for Obama - are no more than witless tools of Limbaugh's "operation chaos". Ken Duerksen Oxford, Ohio

That people still listen to

That people still listen to and defend Bush makes me think dark, misanthropic thoughts.

So does sidetracking this thread into yet another discussion of the trials and tribulations of oh so unfairly treated (because she's losing)Hillary Clinton.

Bush supporters

I think that the 27% or so that still support Bush are actually the true Republicans in the country. Everyone else THINKS they are a Republican, but aren't. I have been saying for quite some time that Bush is the greatest Republican ever. He has brought into effect more of the right=-wing agenda than anyone, to the point he makes Reagan look like a stoned out slacker. We have made a huge mistake by blaming Bush for the disasters we've watched, when the problem is Republicans as a group. The countryneeds to learn that when presented with the true Republican agenda they reject it en masse.

You know Betty, I don't

You know Betty, I don't think I buy that. A lot of the 25 to 30% who still wholeheartedly support this man are the same demographic that put Hitler into power. I have a feeling that every population has this same demographic (I call them FDAs. The D stands for dangerous. I'll leave the F and the A up to your imagination.)

The one quality the Repubs thrive on that the Demos don't is conformity. They all march, lock step, once the leader strikes the beat. However, most Republicans are really conservative, which Bush and his band of merry men are certainly not. They are, however, either Willful Ignorants or Blind Faithers psychologically incapable of pulling the cord to stop the train even when the "Bridge Out" sign is plain for all to see.

I wrote about this in detail HERE.

No difference really.

We're pretty much saying the same thing, only you went into the whole authoritarian aspect. Also, I don't believe the myth of conservatism. Conservatives get into office promising small govt, lower taxes, the whole spiel, but then they just loot the treasury and do what Bushco has done on a slightly smaller scale. Call Bush whatever you want, he was supported by every Republican in America, and aided and abetted in his crimes by them. Republicans hate America and most American, except for their tiny group of party donors. Don't blame Bush. Blame Republicans.

repeating the obvious about Bush is not very interesting

I would ask the Dem nominee, what are you going to do about it? Are you going to let them off the hook? bill

Barak Obama Answers:

"What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that's already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can't prejudge that because we don't have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You're also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we've got too many problems we've got to solve.

So this is an area where I would want to exercise judgment -- I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General -- having pursued, having looked at what's out there right now -- are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it's important-- one of the things we've got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing between really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I've said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances. Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in coverups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law -- and I think that's roughly how I would look at it."

For the record, the 'exceptional circumstances' reservation for impeachment was met years ago.

It is a shame....

Democrats have put up with the worst presidency in the history of the United States for the past seven years. From an attack on our own soil, to fighting an unjust war, to abandoning our principles of decency, freedom and basic human rights, to refusing to lead the free word to becoming the ignorant, vacuous bully that signals the downfall of great governments, we have endured as Bush/Cheney have destroyed our credibility and cracked the foundation of our basic rights. As Democrats, we have watched elections stolen from us, listen as the media pounded us as the enemy and suffered as neo-cons, right-necks and their ilk have held power, changed the rules, cheated and won.

Now we have the power to change it all. We can elect a government we are proud to represent us in Washington. We can regain our prestige and leadership status in the world not through threats or false power but through strength, intelligence and example. We can show our allies and our enemies we will not degenerate to the bluster of the past 7 years. We can bring about a new age of government again "for the people, by the people." As Democrats, we can do this whether Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama is our nominee. But we can defeat the politics of the last seven years.

The time for change is now. The time for Democrats to come together to defeat, this moronic philosophy of Bush/Cheney is now. If we do not unite, we are destined to live the next eight years as the past seven. If we do not unite, we could lose the fabric of our ideals, the homogeny of our philosophies and ideologies and great coalitions that have served America so well. The decision for our victory is not up to McCain, Bush, Limbaugh, or the media. Our victory will be determined by Democrats: young and old, white, African American, Hispanic, men, women, gay and lesbian, union and non-union, Jewish, Gentile, high school and college educated, hard-working people from all income groups who are tired of good Americans dying in this unjust war, who believe everyone should pay their fair share of taxes, who believe companies paying CEOs millions then outsource jobs away from America should not be rewarded, who believe our economy is unfair and who believe America's greatest days are ahead of her with the right leadership.

Whether you voted for Clinton, Obama, Edwards or any other Democrat or you believe America can be better than the last seven years, the time to unite and the time for change is now. Democrats are not the enemy unless we make them the enemy...

Don't do it.

Stop referring to Bush/Cheney. It's a Republican administration, and each and every Republican must be held accountable for our present situation. Start calling it what it is: a Republican administration. Don't let a single SOB distance themselves from what they enthusiastically promoted. It's not Obama v. McCain; it's America v. Republicans.

HelenBack......Coming Upon Your Post......

Is like stumbling across an oasis in the middle of an arid desert......Thanks.

"insufficiently formulated thinking"

That sums up the Bush presidency in a nutshell, and it again demonstrates that what the Right accuse their opponents of is what they themselves are doing and thinking. It's called projection. It's another symptom of their mental derangement, and it momentarily distracts attention away from themselves. These sick, sick people have zero credibility with rational people, and they should have been removed from positions of power long ago. The fact that we have to listen to them for five, uninterrupted months is a sad testament to our own government's cowardice and apathy toward upholding the rule of law and the Constitution. But given that, I consider what they have to say as similar to the rantings of people in the last stages of syphilitic dementia (with apologies to those actually suffering syphilitic dementia).

I HOPE it lasts until November...

Judging from the response of the loss of the Mississippi House seat in special election, at least some Republicans have begun to notice the dead canaries in their coal mine. Mr. Obama seems to have felt the ground shifting early on and has exploited it brilliantly. While the GOP has finally felt the tremors, my belief is it is too little too late, as evidenced by this silly oped in the Daily News coming out in their "defense." If this is the best they've got - November is going to be a Democratic tsunami!

fair forum

anyone know of any dem forums that are fair to Hillary supporters? bill from ct

Try this.

www.hillaryclinton.com. They aren't fair or honest, but they say what you want to hear.

You need to specify whether

You need to specify whether you mean fair to mature, decent Hillary supporters, or "fair" to whiny-baby, tantrum-throwing, self-important Hillary supporters.

Aren't any.

There are no mature, decent Hillary supporters. The mature supporters are women in their '70s and '880s who simply want a woman president. That disqualifies them from decency.

Fair Forum

Bill, as we say in the South, "That dog won't hunt."

Lemmings

If by fair you mean rabidly pro-Clinton, you can always add your combined intellect (you and the two posts who follow) to Taylor Marsh's Obama meat grinder. I find it ironic that Democrats have complained for nearly twenty years that we haven't had candidates who could meet the beasty boys of the right in battle (you will all argue that we had Clinton I, to which I agreed initially, but really we had Ross Perot and another Bush so out-of-touch it would have been miraculous if Clinton had lost; and he nearly did!). Now we finally do, and you blind lemmings let your candidate distract you with a tour of the sewer, all the while crying foul because you're getting beaten badly in spite of it. Then your ilk top it off by promising to vote for McCain in November. Grow up, or vote Republican, or do whatever your defenseless egos tell you, but quit whining about Hillary Clinton being savaged. She deserves far more than she has gotten.

far to clinton and yes fair to Obama

Go to The Ostroy Report,It used to be A post buzzflash used to send you to,But once they found it supported hillary fairly they pulled it.buzzflash also needs to change their wording of there ad asking for donations.they claim their above politcal influence.My god how mr carpenter has sleazed hillary day after day ,you would think it was a karl rove site,thats why hillary supporters no longer contribute to the site

Have you...

read anything on Buzzflash that was false? That;'s the only criteria for bias. You can't handle the truth.

Hillary Sleazing

Please buy a dictionary.

Another DLC Dittohead Heard From

So it's "Vote for Hillary - or vote for the McCain-Lieberman 'Across the Aisle' Axis", eh, Leeswinton?

Personally, I think BuzzFlash is extremely fair to Clinton - she ran a sleazy, pandering, racist campaign that was more concerned with preserving the status quo than fixing the US's problems...and she got called on it by people who are SICK of having Rethug Lite "Centrists" shoved at us as The Only Other Choice....

Now, as Red said - are you going to just whine about how Your Gal Never Got a Break - or are you going to do what you all DEMANDED we do when Hillary was still riding high...and pull together to defeat the Right this Fall? Never mind - last week's SNL already gave me the answer to that one....

you just don't get it drprodny

just by your saying buzzflash has been extremely fair to clinton,shows why Obama will never get hillary's voters. maybe you should go back and read your own posts of how obama's people should not and would not vote for clinton. so we'll follow what you had to say in the beginning.You NOW realize obama now needs clinton supporters to win.You should of thought about that when you were burning those bridges

I think we do......

Stop patting yourself on the back---fool! Nobody is "begging" you for your miserable, self-destructive "VOTE"---since many of you are nothing more than transplanted, desperate, little closet-Repugs; faithfully carrying out the dictates of that fat lump of excrement you all live to worship----Limbaugh.

There is simply no other logical reason for you all to be wasting so much of your OWN time. You're NOT able to, (and CAN'T), convince anyone here to "change" sides--so why do you do it? You've got tons of anti-Obama sites where you can ply your trade, (and your comments)---to your hearts content; but no, you come here, and thats VERY telling.

You people are about as much of a Hillary supporter as I am a Klansman. In addition, you only qualify as even being close to a HRC supporter, because it is with the fervent HOPE of many of you that she's WHO YOU'LL BE RUNNING AGAINST. The fear of you cowards is so tangible, so palpable, and so prevalent--my dog can smell it over the internet.

Assuming I'm as wrong as I can be, again, so what? You've already stated that voting against Obama is your plan, if so----THAN SHUT UP! WHY DO YOU CLOWNS KEEP REPETITIVELY SAYING THE SAME THING? Many of us have come to terms with the fact that you WILL NOT be with us--so be it! But go your own way, shut the hell up, and get ready to prepare for insurgency like the rest of us. Because if you think THEY (Hillary & McCain't)--give a rats ASS---ABOUT YOU---then know this: when you're put in the ranks and tanks with the rest of us---make sure you have your back covered!

So again, your constant carping of what you'll do with your vote, reminds me of the kid that keeps saying, "I'll do it; I'll do it---I swear I will", well you know what? Who gives a shit?

It's YOU and other Clinton Apologists who've burned the bridges

Leeswinton, I know very well what I've said about Clinton supporters and their eagerness to excuse ANY level of sleazy and downright racist campaigning, and in fact to engage in it themselves. I also know I sometimes lose my temper at what I consider "Hillary's Confederacy of the Mind" among both her and her supporters - and eagerness to find any excuse for her Fall From Grace other than her, her campaign's and her supporters' own behavior.

I suggest that, so long as you're telling me to look at what I've posted, you hold that mirror up to yourself - and tell me that what you're REALLY saying isn't "If I can't have my Clinton-Lieberman Apologist DLC Rethug Lite President, I'd rather vote for an aging warmonger w/anger management issues." What REALLY scares you is not that Obama is "inexperienced", or maybe even (for some of you, anyway) that he's Black - but that he's not a quisling to the Progressive base of the Democratic Party...or "centrist", as the DLC defines the term.

I would remind you that, as publicly as I loathe how low Hillary Clinton has descended in her campaign, I have never attacked her gender or suggested that as a woman she lacks the "experience" to be President - but plenty of Clinton supporters have attacked Obama by suggested that, as a Black man, he lacks that same "experience". So tell me again - WHO is running a divisive campaign that will ensure a Democratic Presidential defeat this time out?

Oh, and BTW? Hillary Clinton wasn't even the focus of today's column - John McCain, the real enemy (or so I supposed, but given Alibe50's quivering eagerness to vote for him, I seriously wonder), was. So again I ask - WHO is trying to tear the Democratic Party and the Progressive Movement in two again...?

Man....Let It Go!!

Lee.....why don't you (and Wrando)...for that matter....let it go!

Its so yesterday. Even Hillary is, in real terms, moving her campaign (and followers) into 'fatal acceptance" mode. The Democratic nomination PROCESS in over...and DONE!

I recognize you mourners need a period of "mourning' and 'closure' time---but, come on!
We need to pull together and dwell on what needs to be done. Obama is now directly engaging the enemy (Bush & McCain't)---and THAT is where we should be focused, too. Why Buzzflash chose to foregoe support for Hillary has been documented; and we could argue all day--whether its justified, or not, but most certainly, RELEVANT...it is not!

Look at the TITLE of the thread you two have posted under; there is not a word about Hillary--so you two, in a word, are "off-topic". We need to move forward and let the disunity of "Hillarys been done wrong"----go its natural way.

let it go?

If you want me to let it go, read this and explain why I should http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304 bill from ct

Yes---LET IT GO! (I DIDN'T STUTTER)....

This post of yours is precisely what I'm talking about. I read your link, (dated from FEBRUARY)!

And yes, I can go back and forth with you the rest of the evening---posting my links that I THINK will totally disprove yours--and then YOU'LL do likewise, infinitum! In your post for example, there is ample evidence from Drudge himself, and other reliable sources, that THE SOURCE of that infamous Somali garb incident clearly originated from the Clinton camp itself, of this, there can be no doubt---but YOU WILL.

And what will it accomplish? Your post hasn't convinced me of anything, when I already know the truth (as I have researched it)--neither will mine convince YOU--so here we are. Back to MY main point: YOU NEED TO CEASE AND DESIST---AND MOVE ON TO THE REAL BATTLE!

Why? Because its only a matter of time that dictates what math has already proven---HILLARY CANNOT WIN---theres nothing else left TO DISCUSS concerning this, except to keep the unrealistic hopes of people, such as yourself, alive. Or worse, to further fuel the not-so-hidden, racist goals of some, to keep this script alive on the outside chance that MAYBE some more white people will (you hope), SEE THE LIGHT, and think about "saving YOUR white heritage", (read: ASSES), or...that Obama, will somehow, self-destruct.

If thats what you want to know---I can tell you now---in the next week or two, it is Hillarys camp that plans to release 'evidence' of Obama's (and Rev. Wrights alleged "homosexuality")---based on the so-called "evidence' of that crazy fool, Rev. Manning, the only hindrance, thus far, is how to present this in the most "timely" fashion, and how to hide her hand when she does--HER LAST GAMBIT; HER FINAL PLOY. Therein, lie all the cryptic, snide remarks about something MAY happen to Obama---of course, like ALL the OTHER "coincidences"--its origins lie at the feet of that despicable Howard Wolfson; So there you have it---you've got a sneak preview, first-hand account of what she's "banking" on---in the weeks to come.

Where does any of this leave us? Me, arguing with you, and vice-versa. Meanwhile, the Repugs are devising a message to overcome McCain'ts obvious deficiencies---and what DO YOU WANT TO DO? HAUL OUT TWO MONTH OLD DISPROVEN ACCOUNTS OF HISTORY.

IF, you are a progressive as you proclaim--then stop WASTING BOTH OF OUR TIME with regressive, silly "strawmen" arguments to shore up your insecure, petty little faux sense of "being right".

We're BOTH losing here.....

I'll agree on one thing

We are both losing here, my candidate is losing due to a bias press corp and yours will lose in November because of a different bias, a more distastful bias, you know what I'm talking about. BTW the article was from Feb yet it hasn't surfaced until now, not to mention the fact that these ridiculous smears of racism against Clinton by Obama have been often repeated by the media. This media will not tell me who to vote for, they gave it to Bush for eight years, I'll never vote for their darling. Bill

Then It Stands To Reason......

You won't be voting at all come November. Why? Because, as far as I can ascertain, you and leeswinton ARE NOT voting for Obama...

and if you TRULY (and fairly) assess the type of coverage displayed by the media---they have become Hillary whores ever since Obama appeared to realistically have a serious chance to win.

Its subtle, yet, pronounced, at the same time, however, with your inherent "slant" toward HRC---I think you're probably oblivious to most of it. However, ask yourself this, if Obama used any reference, or quote, FROM KARL ROVE of ALL PEOPLE, to augment his failing viewpoints--do you REALLY think he would have gotten a pass?

When Hillarys mathematically impossible quest is daily shored up by a self-serving media as having a "real chance" to win---even when their "push" for this is driving her to negotiate her $20 million plus debt ever higher----do you think the rhetoric would have been "Obama has a right to stay in as long as he likes"---were the roles reversed--I think not.

You're right, however, about the "distasteful bias".......

BOO

You wish, RedBaiter . . .

Hey, ANITA.........

Welcome back to the fold------they must be hosing out your cage today, huh?

Or, is it just your estrus kickin' in during breeding season?

amen

very disappointing, but buzzflash is not alone KOS, Huff, DU etc. I was banned from DU for posting a pro Clinton article and they wonder where all of Hillary's support has gone The left has learned well fron the RW media and have employed their propaganda tactics this is an excellent read http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304 thanks bill from ct

You said it.

You say "The left has learned well..." This means you see the left as something apart from yourself, which means you are not one of us. And explains why you support a Republican like Mrs. Bill Clinton. So please go find some right-wingers to play with. We don't need you.

Haven't We Had Enough Lies?

Bill, Hillary is already lying to the public about her Bosnian episode, and this is only the campaign, not the presidency. She has only demonstrated that she will stoop to anything to get into office. Obama, on the other hand, has been a gentleman and has not accepted special interest money. Please, we've got to stop these moral morons from destroying our country. Let's get behind our candidate and stay there. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I don't like lying either

But lies that matter http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Editorial/225676/ read some truth from someone who knows it on the subject of Sen. Clinton bill