Hillary and Her True Believers

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

Yes, for Democrats everywhere, here are some of the joyous headlines this morning from coast to coast: The New York Times, "The bruising will go on for the party"; The Washington Post, "Contest goes on and on"; and The Los Angeles Times, "Clinton's victory doesn't do much for her odds" -- nevertheless see headlines one and two.

Pennsylvania came in last night largely as expected, and now the race will go on as expected -- accomplishing nothing but the solidification of John McCain's growing advantages, courtesy Democrats.

Mass suicidal behavior may be rare in the human species, but at election time, it seems to come naturally to a whole lot of Dems. It's a sociopsychological riddle that may never be solved. Still, at the rate Democrats are going, that may soon become more of a historical curiosity than a matter of contemporary resolution. Because if they can't unite to win in 2008, then they can't ever win, period -- and the party deserves to just fade away like an old soldier.

I heard a statistic last night on MSNBC's coverage that may solve at least part of the riddle, though. I don't have a link to any polling organization to back this up, because I didn't hear what organization polled it, but I heard it clearly, there was no mistaking it. And it was this: Four out of five Clinton supporters believe this primary race is still roughly even, still contestable, still winnable by Hillary.

That's scary, as well as depressing, since it's reminiscent of all those Bush supporters who, despite all the evidence in the news indicating otherwise, persisted in their beliefs that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11 and that he did indeed harbor weapons of mass destruction on the eve of our invasion. Nothing could shake them. They believed, because their man had told them to believe. And the proportion among Republicans who actually did believe that drivel, as I recall, was roughly four out of five.

Go ahead, laugh at the Republicans for their cherished mass delusions. But keep in mind that they haven't added mass suicide to their psychological decay. When it comes to elections, they recognize reality when they see it.

Not so for nearly half of the Democratic Party, four-fifths of whom appear lashed to the demented hopes of a narcissistic wrecking ball.

Her self-fulfilling prophecies -- always previewed by the prophetess with a sickening innocence -- have already become legend. "Considering his financial advantage, the question ought to be, why can’t he close the deal?" asked Mrs. Clinton yesterday. "Why can’t he win in a state like this?"

The sociocultural answers to that question -- which Mrs. Clinton understands and exploits better than anyone, of course -- are far too multifaceted and complicated to cover here. But leaving those to the political psychologists, paradoxically the deepest answer of all, as it turns out, is actually the most superficial one -- and it came last night in the form of that four-fifths statistic: Clinton supporters really believe their candidate still has a shot at the nomination.

Merely at her behest they have somehow mentally blocked the profound realities of Obama's insurmountable lead in all the electoral metrics, as well as conveniently forgotten that their candidate has the highest negatives of any presidential prospect in the polling history of the republic. These are, literally, historic -- and crushing -- negatives, which Mrs. Clinton happily continues to mount.

Not only that, her supporters seem to be in vast denial about the near absolute certainty of a Clinton loss to John McCain in the general, since she would have only a fraction of her party enthusiastically behind her and virtually none of the new or independent voters that Obama has inspired.

Their denial is stunning, downright breathtaking and most of all, just plain sad and not a little embarrassing. I didn't know till last night of the statistical evidence behind the striking similarities in delusional thinking that bridge Bush's supporters with Clinton's. Welcome to democracy, where rationality and what's best for the nation always take a back seat to blind partisan passions.

Fortunately, Sen. Obama has more confidence in this democracy racket than I, hence he is plowing ahead with the hope of electoral rationality firmly in mind: "Mr. Obama only mentioned Mrs. Clinton by name once in his remarks at a rally [in Indiana] late Tuesday night, when he congratulated her on winning the Pennsylvania primary. He referred to Mr. McCain seven times, a pointed reminder to Democrats of the challenge that lies ahead."

Challenge? Mr. McCain? Is there some other election coming up that we weren't aware of? Come on, Mr. Obama, we're having too much fun flushing the nation's future down the toilet to be bothered with such eventual trivialities. And now, Mrs. Clinton, you get back out there and relaunch, once again, your party's destruction.

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P.M.: you wrote:

"Considering his financial advantage, the question ought to be, why can’t he close the deal?" asked Mrs. Clinton yesterday...." this brings to mind that old quote:

"Madam, before you flatter a man so grossly to his face, you should consider whether or not your flattery is worth his having." Dr.Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

Whats most glaring, (and gross), about all of Hills comments is: "Why can’t he win in a state like this?"---knowing full well why.

Unfortunately, its her followers who don't know why, or to be more precise, they go about dishonestly PRETENDING to not know why. Ladies and gentlemen, there is an 800 lb gorilla in Hillary's camp---and like the naked king of yore---nobody wants to tell the queen shes without clothing. It has become a media-wide phenomenon, most recently demonstrated by Keith Olbermann, who, one would have assumed....been more direct and forthright and called Hillary and her campaign tactics WHAT THEY ARE: RACIST! But alas, I have no such qualms, so I shall:

Among the HRC's female supporters is this notion that, somehow, it is SHE who has been maligned because of her gender. They then extend this argument by using a most tortured and convoluted logic that Blacks are/have not been persecuted (based on racism), as much as they (based on sexism). First of all, the comparison is a by-product of supremely lazy thinking, and racist-coded sub-text, and secondly, its just a plain, ol' LIE!

P.M. wrote:
"Not only that, her supporters seem to be in vast denial about the near absolute certainty of a Clinton loss to John McCain in the general, since she would have only a fraction of her party enthusiastically behind her and virtually none of the new or independent voters that Obama has inspired."

And THIS is the death-knoll of it all. The media pays lip-service to this reality---BUT, I ASSURE YOU, WITHIN THE BLACK COMMUNITY---this snub will not go unpunished. No threat--just a common-sense observation. Whites (in this group Hillary has targeted---as hers) tend to disregard all others needs---EXCEPT THEIR OWN. The last two campaigns have been lost by Democrats pandering to this singular group at the dearth of others---particularly trying to use Repug tactics of appealing to their basest fears---and then, losing. As I said earlier, the Black base which is the most dependable, surest, and reliable of all groups within the party, have PAID THEIR DUES--and IT IS their (and our) time. Why? because the microcosm that is Hills current base, STILL want to deny the fact of Blacks having an equal place WITHIN THEIR PARTY (as they see it): (and Hillary will certainly not enlighten them to anything otherwise)

Hillarys white female base refuse to strain their self-deceptive little minds, I don't think NOT ONE OF THEM can find me a case-history, (or case law, for that matter), of a woman, a WHITE woman in particular,---(barring the many incidents that occurred to Black women in this regard)---being gang-raped--THEN LYNCHED for the hell of it. But I bet you--within 5 minutes-- I can find you pages of incidents regarding so-called white feminists' discrimination against their own darker 'sisters' This is no secret among black feminists--who decry the 'equality' of the white ones. One has only to look to the 'feminists' involved with Hillary---(Steinem, Ferraro)--these women do not support the realities of Black feminists---BECAUSE THEY SEE FEMINISM IN TERMS OF THEMSELVES ONLY---which in, and of, itself---is a form of discrimination. I speak only the truth here.

If some story is there---I'm waiting to hear it. History has many examples of massive voter fraud, poll-taxes, and deaths related to fighting for the right to vote among Black men & women. I'd like one of these HRC feminist-backers to find me ONE example of a white woman in the South, (or elsewhere), suffering the same.

Additionally, there is this pretzel logic precipitated by them that THIS IS THEIR TIME FOR A WOMAN---FOR THEY HAVE, SOMEHOW, "EARNED" IT---I beg to differ. Many of them were among the very whites who roared MIGHTILY that Jesse Jackson, altho verbally mesmerizing and gifted, was just NOT THE RIGHT BLACK---NOT YET---to be the first black president. Black folks bitterly disagreed, but sighed, and watched this same class of white people dismiss him. Then later, they cheered MIGHTILY WHEN Al Sharpton announced his bid for the same, altho linquistically savvy and the most logically articulate, among the whole lot of them (Bill Clinton included), this class of whites, again, declared he was just NOT THE RIGHT BLACK---NOT YET---to be the first black president. Again, Black folks bitterly disagreed, sighed at the injustice of it, because by this time,---they had witnessed the foolishness of the nominees whites selected as "THE CORRECT ONE"...and watched this same class of white people couch Sharpton as a warped radical; all the while watching the likes of Hart, and Dukakis, and Lieberman become the "proper choices" AND MAKE A MOCKERY OF THEIR LOGIC---AND BLACKS DID NOT WHINE---but they saw how the game was, once again, played against them. Then, here comes BILL CLINTON--the 'first black president'--the pudgy, smooth-talking, draft-dodging, Rhode scholar, SOUTHERN-bred son of Arkansas. reared in trailer-camps, surrounded by Blacks---he learned his southern sociology well---and played Black-folks like a six-string guitar. When it served his purpose--he played his political southern-boy, racist gambit even better---until it backfired; black people, possessing an extremely acute radar for racist innuendo--IMMEDIATELY read it for what it was--race-baiting. Now, he whines OBAMA SET HIM UP--and made those words come out of HIS----blue-blazes!

Now, comes the horseman that is WHITE WOMEN---and when someone tells THEM--while THEY cheer MIGHTILY for Hillary, altho she is 'tough', and 'experienced', and a 'leader'--from DAY 1--(all of which has been disproven and summarily dismissed), the ENTIRE body of the Democratic party whispers--shes just NOT THE RIGHT WOMAN---NOT YET---to be the first woman president, THEY want to skip that imaginary 'place in the line' ...and be given some sort of special, privileged place in said line----BECAUSE THEY FEEL--THEY ARE ENTITLED TO IT....white entitlement at its most obvious.....,which is STILL not the worst aspect of it---no---IT IS THE MEANS---by which they hope to accomplish it.

HRC has screeched her subliminal screed to all their most base, rudimentary, tribal and primal fears, that is, THEY are coming to take our (fill in the blank). But Hillary of Arc, Mary Magdalyn, and Ms. Messiah....all dressed in the air of Marie Antoinette--(screw 'em, Bill--let 'em eat cake)--- will come like a cartoon--Mickey Mouse--to save the day. SHE will make sure those "elitist, young, effete Blacks" will not 'embitter' them, nor, take their guns, nor will she let those evil Latinos--coming 'cross the border to disenfranchise them, to take their place in the line for the $3.50 an hour job--that THEY were waiting for since 5 A.M.-----Super-Hill...LIES faster than a speeding bullet; more powerful than a Lie left unexposed; able to spew tall-tales in a single burst, yes, Super-Hill--fights for un-truths, injustice, and the American Flag pin--(made in China)....as long as you remember..to vote for Hill--and NO ONE ELSE---or she'll guide these fools to McCains 'light'---and conquer all evils in 2012. Many of them are so delusional---they already envision her as some sort of 'fighter for their cause', all this, from a multi-million dollar, maiden of mock muck. To wit, here is a comment posted by one of her "loyalist" just the other day:

"The war in Bosnia ended mysteriously suddenly. I would not be surprised if Hillary partook in some excursions that were not totally covered by the media. In other words I think so much of her I imagine her as some sort of secret agent dodging bullets and then having the professionalism to take the media hit rather than reveal things she can't reveal."
(Submitted by cooler on Sat, 04/19/2008 - 8:52pm.)

This borders on 'creepy'. But, as if they had the ability to, somehow, step into the only beam of lamp-light on a darkened slum street, and hopefully, channel her essence--this fool went on to say:

"Either that or I can fully understand how Hillary might have subconsciously imagined herself under enemy sniper fire and come to confuse it with real life because of all the shit that is thrown at her ever minute of every day from every corner. She fully deserves to perceive herself as having come under enemy sniper fire ..."

To which I have no reply, but to quote P.M.:

"Their denial is stunning, downright breathtaking and most of all, just plain sad and not a little embarrassing......' AMEN

Hillary won because she can

Obama will not win against McSame in November so it's only prudent to let the person who can beat McSame take the nomination. So many people on this board are willing to discount Florida so their MAN can roll through the White House on training wheels, well good luck with that. If you need to eliminate some of the voters so you can win, your candidate is weaker than you imagine. Florida will be counted or Florida will choose McSame. If Florida chooses McSame so will Ohio, Indiana, maybe Pennsylvania? Most of the states Obama won will vote for McSame, this is a given. So why are people so stuck on nominating a loser? Get over the illusion, get a grip, Uppity Obama can't win in Blue Collar Country, therefore he can not be President.

A question

You capitalized the word "MAN." Are you referring to the huge Swiss heavy industry conglomerate?

YOUR NAME IS APT....

I HATE THIS CLICHE---BUT YOU'VE BEEN SIPPING TOO MUCH OF THE KOOL-AID....OR PIPE!

Here's another shovel for you

Keep those attacks coming Obama supporters because when and if your guy wins the nomination, the Clinton supporters will remember all this kindness you have shown to them and their candidate and reward you as you so justly deserve by staying home. You think we are delusional? Here's another shovel, just keep digging that hole for your guy.

Interesting

Apparently Hillary's supporters care more about the vagina than the country.

Even more interesting ...

Apparently (some of) Obama's supporters hate Hillary more than they care about the country.

I CAN DIG IT.....

And when after November YOU'RE living under the auspices of a fascist regime, and your son (or daughter), is drafted to fight a 100 year war for global oil and American Empire......

you might have no recourse but to stay at home---behind boarded windows and barbed-wire...clutching your M-16.....then YOU can remember all the kindness you've shown to all by petulantly keeping your infantile ass at home....when YOU were needed.

If Hillary wins---we'll ALL stay home---because then....it won't matter much which one wins.

Hillary, bow out

It's time for Ms. Clinton to see that she's lost and drop out now. The longer she stays in and stirs up crap to cast against Mr. Obama, the more I'm sure I will never vote for her in the fall, should she manage to steal the nomination.

Hillary, you and Bill have had a good run. Time to go home now. Be a good Senator, disassociate yourself once again from faux Democrats like Joe Lieberman. Or .. stay in and suffer the same fate he has. Be labeled a joke, a suck up... unless of course you really are part of Richard Mellon Scaife's crowd. In which case, I'll be doubly happy NOT to vote for you.

Could be because...

Maybe 80% of Hillary's supporters believe the race is winnable is because anytime Hillary or one of her surrogates appears on air they continuously repeat the lie that this is a "close" or "tight" race. I bet if you asked someone in the Hillary campaign what their shoe size is, they'd lie.

FORCE OF HABIT.....

Hey, B.D.-----have you noticed the timbre and tone on this thread AFTER they supposedly had such a 'big night' last night? ---doesn't seem like the media's BS is having the desired effect anymore.......to me, many of them sound, what is it?

Oh yeah, .........BITTER!

I have come to detest

I have come to detest Hillary Clinton, who is very busily trying to spread mental illness while Barack Obama runs for president, but one of the few things we run into in our daily lives that I detest more than Hillary Clinton is curmudgeonry, and today's posting is getting mighty close to the edge. The curmudgeon's goal is to spread disillusionment and apathy, and what I see here doesn't lead anywhere but to disillusionment and apathy. It's harmful, it sickens me, and it ought to be stopped now before it can increase the harm caused by Hillary Clinton's selfishness. It is not difficult to be negative and/or pessimistic without inciting disillusionment and apathy; I do it all the time. I leave methodology as an exercise to the writer. (Why only close to the edge of curmudgeonry? To be fully a curmudgeon, one also, perhaps, should tend to be negative even about positive developments.)

I know

My first vote was in 1972 for McGovern. Since then there have been Democratic candidates I was not in love with, not enthusiastic about, or thought was the lesser of two evils. Hillary Clinton is the first Democrat I have despised. And when I say that, most people nod in agreement.

rigged elections

Hilary has a chance as long as elections are rigged, as in NH. Check out bradlog.com, proof that Friedman is not synomonous with evil.

The Hillary Cult

I read a piece this morning by a reporter who formed his own unscientific analysis of what makes the Hillary believers click, he had a group of women Hillary supporters from various states that he interviewed to gain his perspectives. The consensus within the group was: 1.)media gender bias, 2.)unfair negative attacks against Hillary by the Obama campaign, 3.)Obama is getting a free ride. Most of the women from this group feel that gender bias represents a deeper social obstacle than race and that black men have a far better chance of reaching the presidency sooner than a woman. As a person who's lived the American black experience for nearly 60 years I can't tell you how difficult it is for me to find that there are people thinking this way. Rosa Parks had to give up her seat on the bus to white folks, both white men and women, gender was of no benefit to her. My mother and grandmother worked as domestics for white families where the wives benefited from their labor in ways that black women did not. I find it deeply offensive that these people could honestly believe that race is not the ultimate social red line. I'd like to remind Hillary's cult of worshipers that while they criticize Senator Obama for complaining ( he's not done so )about the heated attacks, didn't Hillary know going in that she might face at least some gender bias? why are her supporters whining about something they had to know might show itself? I haven't heard a word from Barack Obama complaining about the issue of his race being made a topic.

It's a "victimology", which

It's a "victimology", which just happens to involve two non-competing minority groups (in the sociological sense) this time. We've seen similar victimology, however, built around the collapse (due to his inferiority as a nominee) of Howard Dean's campaign, where minority status was not involved.

Democratic suicide

I agree if the Dems lose this election there will not be a reason for a Democratic party. We will be a one party country and time will be better spent building the old Rockefeller/Weiker Liberal wing of the Republican party. Third parties do not work in our stupid system. The big problem is not just Clinton's hubris; it is the U.S. hubris that we cannot learn form the other democratic republics. Yes we need to move to a parliamentary system so that we could have truly ideological parties and coalitions like a mature republic. We always assume since we had the first modern democratic republic we don't need to learn from anyone. I would support Hillary EXCEPT for the campaign she has run. This campaign was what we needed in 2004 but she would not take on an incumbent President. She rejected the "Draft Hillary" movement of 2003. Obama heard his country call and ran. Clinton heard her country call and thought she had a better chance in 2008 so she blew it off. That is all I need to know about her.

Hillary doesn't suck, that's what Monica is for.

Just ask Bill!

LMFAO!

Oh, man! I was SOOOOOOOO impressed the first few times you posted this, figuring it was original, authentic, Norm humor. Then I googled it and - low and behold - there it is at infantilesexhumorforadolescentmenwhowishtheycouldgetlaid.com ...... Imagine the disappointment!

Oh well ... keep it up, Norm (so to speak). Maybe one day you'll get it ............ (an original, funny joke, I mean).

Yesman

Your comments were so funny I forgot to laugh.

"Obliterate" Iran if it attacks Israel. H. Clinton

"Obliterate?!?!?"
What kind of talk is this?
Clinton is sounding more like Barry Goldwater, her first political hero, in 1964.

This is inflammatory talk. It's one thing for Democrats to support Israel, it's quite something else to threaten to "obliterate" another country if it attacks Israel.

What is Clinton thinking? Is she thinking that it's just loose campaign trail talk and no one will take it too seriously or is she serious?

Either way how do you defend it?

Clinton partisans - what do you say?

Colleen Clark
Cambridge, MA

UNFINGBELIEVABLE

Agreed. The biggest plus to electing a woman President is that most women are evolved on the point of war and understand it's evil failure. But blithly bragging about killing 75 Million people in 1/2 hour - UNBELEIVABLE. It scares me to even write such words! That statement's got to have legs in the Democratic Party nomination process. We cannot have a candidate that jangles her sword so carelessly. That's poison-speak.

Shes Still a Goldwater Girl.....

Colleen-----

The problem with HRC is, she has ALWAYS been more focused on the TARGET of her comments, with little regard for the CONTENT of it. Couple that with that psychological quirk of hers to fantasize certain realities, witness, for example, todays 'quirk': "I have received more votes than anybody else in this campaign----NOT TRUE.

But she gets away these type of statements---till challenged. She is, quite simply, not capable of telling the truth.

Her unfortunate comments you addressed were made over a week ago during that ill-fated, so-called 'debate', but given our very imperfect media, they have scarcely examined this issue at all---and will most likely not.

They can focus on impossibilities over and over, like "can she win", but serious, (and dangerous), comments like above, simply fall by the wayside. Sad.

Hillary won!

Ashes to your taste, Sand in your eyes. Hillary won by 10% when she is supposed to quit according to you. Tell the Democratic Party in Pennsylvania to quit. Tell the Democratic Party in NY, NJ,CA,TX,OH, NM, NV,AZ, FL.MA,MI,MN,MO,to quit.The East Coast,the West Coast ,the Gulf states, the Sun Belt and the Rust Belt all belong to Hillary. Take those away from Obama and you have no Democratic Party to support him. Tell the core Democrats that we don't care what they say they are to vote for the new boy on the block. We don't care that they have put Democrats in office everywhere for years and that we expect them now to be ignores and not only to vote for someone new but to vote for the super delegates in November who now will ignore their voice.Hillary is the candidate of the Democratic Party.Obama should run as an Independent and see how much support he gets from the Democrats.Daschel,Kennedy ,Kerry etc. are not Democrats they are Liberals.Wealthy liberals at that.

Excuse me?

You might want to rethink your decision to refer to Obama as a "boy."

What's the significance of the states listed?

FL and MI don't count, and Obama won MN, MO and TX. That and your incomprehensible ranting. "...vote for the superdelegates in November who now will ignore their voice." ?? Long-time leaders of the Democratic party aren't Democrats? And what about Hillary and Bill and their 109 million friends -- the Clintons aren't wealthy? You're really strange.

Oops

He won Nevada, too.

Case In Point

Wow, andyod - you're one of those fanatics PM was talking about. By the way, she won by 9.1 percentage points...the central number most of the polls predicted on Monday, you know the ones that had her ahead by 20 points in late March.

The new math

Most of the media is rounding Hillary's 9.1% margin up to 10% rather than down to 9%. Don't you hate that media bias and gender inequality?

Interesting

I saw a post almost identical to that on another site. Wonder if the pro-Clinton sites are providing templates for people to post around the Web.

WON WHAT?...THE BATTLE?.......

Careful, how you GLOAT....little man. One battle victory...maketh not a war won. And two weeks from now....after N.C. and Indiana---you'll be grinding your teeth and weeping in your beer, when you realize then: Pennsylvania REALLY did not matter.

I was going to ask you did you NOT READ the above essay by P.M.? But after trying mightily to wade through your error-filled, run-on sentences, and stream-of-consciousness ramblings, I quess, I was able to answer it for myself---you lack the capacity to understand what he said. YOU are PRECISELY the kind of Hillary follower that has allowed this farce to continue, sadly, it seems, because you simply don't know any better.

You are being 'gamed', my friend. Unfortunately, we're ALL BEING PENALIZED FOR IT!

Clinton's not weathly too??

And she's not liberal? Well, what kind of Democrat is she then?

Colleen Clark
Cambridge, MA

I'll tell you

Hillary is a Republican that wants Chelsea to be able to get an abortion.

What kind of Democrat is she then?

How 'bout: a lying, cheating and DANGEROUS one, as well.

Liberal Hillary?

Was once. Not much anymore. She, like her husband, has been seduced by the game: it's all about the winning. Nothing else matters.

Hillary loves union-supporting benevolent Walmart

That's why Hillary was on the Board of Directors of Walmart. http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0207-34.htm

Mayhaps ...

... what the Keystone State results indicate is that neither really ought be our candidate.

Gore/Edwards won once, why not again?

wishful thinking

Not Gore/Edwards, Gore/Lieberman

Colleen Clark
Cambridge, MA

Gore/Edwards?

Interesting concept. Al Gore on the second ballot? Yes, its a real long shot, but?? -Andy Ostroy has similar thoughts. In case you missed it, read it here:

Are the Democrats Imploding? Can Al Gore Be Far Behind?

The Party of Delusion

I'm a 48 year old black women. I have been voting for Dems for over 15 years. This year I will not be voting. This primary has open up my eyes. The truth is that this country is not ready to vote for a black man, plain and simple. I will not be voting for anymore White folks until this problem with this county is solve. The problem is not only why havn't Obama close the deal, but why havn't Hillary close the deal. Obama is running against a former President and first lady. Wheather he get the nomation or not, he is still a winner to get this far. the bar has been raise so high for him. How can Hillary supports say that she doesn't care about people and still vote for her. Easy - she in not a black man...

the Clinton Plantation

This brings to mind Dick Gregory's comment when the NAACP honored him two or three years ago. "Outside a reporter asked me, 'Mr. Gregory, what are we going to do about the Iraq War?' How come, whenver THEY get jammed up, all of a sudden, it's 'WE'?" Randall Robinson emigrated from the US a couple of years ago after encountering angry resistance from supposed liberals on what the country owed the descendents of the African abductees on whose bodies the national wealth was founded. The Clintons think, like the "Good" slaveowners, "Why OUR darkies are treated so well, they would NEVER abandon us!"

Stunning and breathaking denial!

That could be said of either candidate's supporters! The radical left is not any better, since they just assume that if Obama is nominated he will win against McCain. Most people are better informed about Obama's life prior to being a candidate. He carries a lot of baggage. The bad thing is that the Obama supporters and the radical left has thrown all other of the candidates out the windows with their smear campaigns. The radical left will not win as most people do not support the radical right or radical left. A third party needs to be organized with views that support the majority of Americans. The party of the Democrats has become a hate filled and bitter organization of political opportunists.

Radical left?

Obama doesn't support capitalism? That's where the "radical left" is. Hillary's a moderate Republican. Obama's a centrist Democrat. Get a clue.

"The party of the Democrats

"The party of the Democrats has become a hate filled and bitter organization of political opportunists"

And that's different from the Repuiblicans exactly how?

"He carries a lot of baggage."

Unlike Clinton(s), McCain, (fill in just about anyone you can think of).

"The radical left is not any better, since they just assume that if Obama is nominated he will win against McCain."

Not after Hillary gets through with him.

BTW, your use of 'radical left' in this context makes me assume you're a right winger diguised, poorly, as a moderate.

The party of the Democrats

You forgot to mention, a third party needs to be established! There is no difference between the Democrats or the Republicans. All the outrage against the right wing of the Republicans by Democrats has turned into the left wing outrage against all other candidates, except for Obama. The party is no longer for all but for those with their single view of America. Instead of the Democrats standing together, they has rather destroy all other candidates, in their own party. I am no right winger but have enough intelligence to know that this party no longer meets any of my views. After many years, I have become an independent and will vote for the person, not the party. Whether a person is a woman or a black should not come into the argument for being elected. The baggage Obama carries is his association with Rezko and many others that put him in office. He has yet to acknowledge or even give his answers to many questions.

3rd Party?

How about going parliamentary like every other republic on the planet? One is just as likely as the other.

I'm getting to the point...

...where I change my bumpersticker from "Anyone but a Republican" to "Go, lemmings, go!"

I suppose it was just an

I suppose it was just an accident that the two democrats with the least chance of beating any republican are now fighting to ensure the republicans win by solidifying the red south and west based upon their race and gender prejudices.

What am I missing here...

Am I going crazy, or what??...Regardless who wins, either of these two candidates are going to bury McCain...In every Democrat primary this year the turnout and new registration has shattered records..Now does someone believe all these voters that have turned out and all these new voters are going to suddenly vote for McCain??...Please, these are Democrat voters, remember...These are the same voters that threw the Republican House and Senate out of office in 06...I'm a Hillary supporter and there's no doubt in my mind I'll be voting for Obama in November if he wins...And I think after everything settles down, every Democrat will vote Democrat...

Not any more...

"Regardless who wins, either of these two candidates are going to bury McCain"

A poll released yesterday pretty much summed it up: Both Hillary's and Obama's numbers have fallen to single digit, as in 4 or 5 points, leads over McCain in New York.

If New York is in play this November, the democrats are in big, big trouble. This campaign is destroying the Democratic Party. People are beyond sick of it. They're getting disgusted. If the moderate independents get disgusted they'll vote for McCain, in which case he wins.