Peter Sellers May Be Gone, But Hillary Clinton Is Available

THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

The film metaphor that springs to mind is that of the raging confrontation between Inspector Clouseau and the organ-grinder in the foreground, as a violent and poorly executed crime unfolds in the background. Our present-day reality isn't quite as comical, but it's close.

As the broadcast media engage almost exclusively the Democratic fiasco and Chief Inspector Hillary Clinton's fastidious lectures on the proper political rules, the overlooked crime of Iraq bubbles behind it all. And Republican nominee John McCain is happily getting away.

The print media, which tend to cover things like foreign wars and their domestic politics, have indeed noticed. But their coverage seems to overplay the importance of Iraq in the electorate's awareness. Reports, for instance, the New York Times: "The heavy fighting that broke out last week [in Iraq] is reverberating on the presidential campaign trail and posing new challenges and opportunities to the candidates.... The fierce fighting ... thrust the war back into the headlines and the public consciousness just as it had been receding behind a tide of economic concerns."

Reverberating? Not compared to the thrill of seating or not seating Michigan delegates, or the relative value of a pyrrhic primary victory in Texas, or how only one Democrat alive could possibly carry Massachusetts in the general. Now that's reverberation for you, against which the most stupendous blunder in American foreign-policy history could not conceivably hold a candle or merit much notice.

To the extent that it does, Senator McCain, of course, is calling both heads and tails. He "said he was encouraged that Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki's government had sent its troops to reclaim Basra from the Shiite militias." Had it been only American troops sent, that would have been encouraging, too -- an admirable sign that we're staying the course, as we should. He likes to feel needed; does Iraq ever need him, and boy does he ever need Iraq.

Senator Obama, on the other hand, said Saturday that "the news from Basra highlighted his contention that American military involvement could not solve the deep-seated problems facing Iraq," which he anticipated and warned against years ago. But I put it to you: How many times did you see footage of that statement, compared, especially, to the number of times you saw yet another story on the deep-seated problems facing Democrats?

And finally we come to Inspector Clinton, who "did not directly address the Basra situation on Saturday and instead kept the focus on economic issues." (No mention was made of her lecturing an organ-grinder, but again, this was print.)  She did, however, concede that the deep-seated and now-resurfacing problems that Obama predicted are "a clear admission that the surge has failed to accomplish its goals." Well done.

But if the senator from New York would like to do even better, she could explain, once and for all, just why it was she voted to get us into this global mess in the first place. No more bluster about how she failed to comprehend the striking difference between a diplomatic green light and a military authorization. That line may provoke laughter, but offers little edification.

No, how was it that 133 U.S. representatives and 23 other U.S. senators recognized the Bush administration's war hysteria as a grotesque swindle and she did not? In the "What I'd like to see" department, it's a press conference in which all 133 plus 23 are queued up, one after another, explaining just what it was that tipped them off to the scam; then, one after another, asking how anyone with a detectable pulse could have missed it.

What intelligence data were they reading -- or not seeing -- that prompted them to deny the urgency of a military offense against a contained, unprovoking foe?

How was it that they were not only available but keenly attentive then those frantic 3 A.M. phone calls came in from the Middle East-attuned foreign policy community screaming, "They're out of their minds!"

And where was Hillary when that community was calculating the permanent human cost of temporary political advantage?

Susan Jacoby, author of The Age of American Unreason, has noted the strenuously anti-intellectual thrust of Hillary's belittling remarks to voters about Obama's "one good speech" on Iraq. Many voters are attracted to assaults on intellectuality; Hillary knows this and exploits it. But many of the same voters also appreciate what John McCain advertises as "straight talk." Here, Hillary cheats them. And the enduring mystery is why more don't demand more.  

I guess it's only because they're so amused and distracted by the inspector's unremitting lectures to others about political propriety, even as the savage consequences of her less than comical bumbling rage behind her.

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THE FIFTH COLUMNIST by P.M. Carpenter

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I want you to know that I

I want you to know that I quite enjoy reading about new angles from which to see how Hillary and Bill Clinton managed to get so many wingnuts and media freaks obsessed with their downfall. Of course the effect is different in a liberal person of excellent intentions, such as myself, but it is such a new sensation and so unexpected. I mean, I had always liked the Clintons, but they really do have a talent for "polarizing" people. It is so strange. I await more angles.

Who is this Hack

P. M. Carpenter is another person with his own views. Just another hack that thinks he is right and the ones who like Hillary are all wrong. She has been called more names by this rag web site then most Republicans. The loss of this election is do to people like Mark and P. M. Carpenter thinking we are all wrong. No one can get the required votes to be the Democratic choice, but this negative spinning of the candidates has divided the party. The racial questions about Obama are now vented, and that is the reason, if he gets the spot, will lose. To many Republicans will not vote for any Black person, even if they were the only candidate. But this racial question has many Democrats looking hard at this person. That is the reason he will most likly loss. We are giving away the chance so we can say we, as the least unbiased party, gave a minority a chance to be president. Sorry that holds true for a Hillary, woman, run to be President. I think we lost, not because we all care, but because of the liberal media spinning what they want, not what the country needs to win the White House. So for all the Marks, and P.M. Carpenters who have a positive handle on this election, you guys have killed our chances, and please include Ed Schultz in this group. Now you have my views, just as one sided as anyone else you can find to fill in the space with chatter.

The Problems Not P.M.........

No Patco, the problem lies closer to home than that. The problem, as I see it, is within OUR own ranks. He has elaborated,(or reported), on what she has actually said, done, or implied--he has not tried to insinuate that all of you Hill-backers are wrong. It is what it is. The problem is exposure. You people don't like the cold light of revelation that he has brought to bear upon her. I say: better by OUR hand, and better now, then later, when we all KNOW full well---its gonna come!!

No, the innate racism within many Repugs won't severely impact the general, because we're out-numbering them in voter registration almost 4 to 1. Many of them, racist or otherwise, are so disenchanted--they're contemplating a sabbatical this year from voting. HOWEVER, if your girl decides to implode the situation, whether as nominee, or Obama's running mate, ALL bets are off. For repugs, she is the Great Satan---they can't allow in the W.H.---AND THEY WILL UNITE!; for some Dems, especially if she pulls a snatch---she simply will not get their votes--and they'll stay home. You all (Hill supporters) seem not able to grasp this. You simply want what you want---disrespective of fact or reason.

Democratic entrenchment and intractability, not Repug racism, will undermine our cause faster than anything they can do. We have to worry more about the racism within OUR OWN RANKS by some who are denying the reality of their own hearts and minds, and why they are so virulently opposed to Obama (often times based on the most ignorant set of allegations), yet, are so adamantly supportive of Hills very flawed campaign, in light of many of the facts that people like P.M. comment on and bring to light....to the chagrin of some.

The party's over

Hillary Clinton is certainly far more qualified than ANY of the losers on the rethug side, and INFINITELY more qualified than mcnut, but simple arithmetic and the will of the voters indicate that Obama is the choice. Although either Clinton or Obama would obliterate mcsame in a fair debate, and almost certainly win the 2008 election by a wide margin (too big for THIS one to be falsified), our people seem to prefer the sweeping change Obama personifies. Even if Obama loses Pennsylvania, it won't be by that wide a margin, and he'll get almost as many delegates as Clinton. Then, there are Indiana and North Carolina, which will probably go Obama's way. There simply seems to be no point to posponing the inevitable, other than feeding Hillary's (and Bill's) ego. It's too bad it's come to this; two brilliant pepole likely going into the convention with insufficient votes or delegates for a clean win on the first ballot. This only serves to give bush clone mccain breathing room and karl rove more time to swiftboat the winner.

Phuck You Phil

I have tried to reason with you and call your attention to the unmitigated damage you are doing to the chances of the Democratic Party to prevail in November, but you insist on doing Karl Rove's bidding on a daily basis. What a pitiful shell of your former self you have become. You have almost single-handedly changed Buzzflash into HillaryTrash and BuzzMax. What the hell is your purpose for this? Do you think you are clever? Have you gotten your tickets to McCain's inaugural?

Oh, Go Cheney Yourself, BobJones2001!

Darn Bob... all that "sniper fire" that made you "duck and run for cover" must have burnt out a few billion of your brain-cells! "Doing Karl Rove's bidding"??? Today's Buzzflash top headline has... Hillary Surrogate Ed Rendell PRAISING FOX 'news' !! Fox 'news' IS Karl Rove's mega-phone, you twit! But in Typical Rove/Repuglican fashion, YOU blame the OTHER party, for YOUR black misdeeds! (That is called "projection") Bob, Do You Know Why Hillary's entire campaign is NEGATIVE against her primary opponent? Let me be the first to state the obvious: HILLARY is RUNNING A NEGATIvE CAMPAIGN.. because besides running for senate in 2000 and again in 2006 (both times in a "Blue" state with TREMENDOUS name recognition, and a huge national donor's list war chest to draw on) SHE HAS _NOTHING_ to brag on! Her whole "I'm a fighter" myth is fraud! She antagonized EVERYONE in the Health Care debate (good politics means you choose your friends wisely, and martial them together to confront our opponents)... and then when she got shot down, she RETREATED for the next 7 years, and then 7 more after that! All I can figure is that Hillary supporters are victims of some kind of broad, mild STOCKHOLM syndrome - they see her lying about Bosnia sniper fire, they think that means she IS qualified to take the "3 am phone call" - which campaign ad - HER campaign ad - was nothing more than a veiled ROADBLOCK, poll-test for her opponent! WHO THE HELL said that She has the right to determine the qualifications for the White House? She can't keep her own story straight, she keeps pickig at the scab of America's race divide (again this week, not only bringing up Rev. Wright... but trying to blame reporters for HER bringing him up!), and sneering at the millions of voters who have voted for her opponent. As I lead off with, IF Hillary had SOMETHIGN TO BRAG ON these past 8 years, SHE WOULD BE BRAGGING! and not going negative.

Here's a good way...

...to tell the difference between the two remaining candidates: one of them has WON THE GODDAMN CONTEST, TAKEN AN INSURMOUNTABLE LEAD IN THE DELEGATE COUNT AND HAS DONE IT WHILE PLAYING BY ALL THE RULES THAT BOTH CONTENDERS AGREED UPON AT THE BEGINNING OF THE RACE.

Just curious ...

You seem to be under the impression that HC has not played by all the rules. Could you tell me what rule(s) she hasn't played by?

Oh .......... and your CAPS button appears to be stuck.

No......just Blind !!

READ THE WHOLE DAMN PAGE AND YOU CAN ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION!!....AND NO---MY CAPS BUTTON IS NOT STUCK--BUT YOU ARE---ON STUPID!!

Actually ...

... looks like Marlow (the one who's post I was responding to) agrees that HC did NOT break any rules. Yet you think the answer is right there - but don't say what rule(s) she broke. Strange.

BTW - I was also refering to Marlow's CAPS button ........... but now yours is doing it, too.

Well gee...

...whineman, are we a little sensitive tonight? I stated that Obama won the delegate race fair and square, not that Hillary had broken any rules, she just didn't win. Subtle difference here but you'll get it. But if you want my opinion, I think there are a few basic rules one should play by in primary elections. Just spitballing here, whineman, but I tend to think it's pretty bad form to CROSS THE AISLE AND EMBRACE THE RETHUGLICAN NOMINEE-IN-WAITING IN A PATHETIC ATTEMPT TO FREEZE OUT ONE'S RIVAL FOR THE NOMINATION, THEREBY HANDING ENDLESS HOURS OF ATTACK MATERIAL TO THE OTHER SIDE FOR USE IN THE GENERAL ELECTION. That seems to be a rule so basic it wouldn't even have to be written down. Big mistake in this election. The party should have anticipated a candidate that would rather burn the whole works than gracefully accept a defeat. And don't worry about my CAPS button, spanky, I cAn WoRk It AnY WaY I WaNt, I'm A bIg BoY nOw.

My bad ...

I'm not being sensitive - I just like it when people are factually accurate. So (for example), when someone claims that "one of them has WON THE GODDAMN CONTEST, TAKEN AN INSURMOUNTABLE LEAD IN THE DELEGATE COUNT AND HAS DONE IT WHILE PLAYING BY ALL THE RULES THAT BOTH CONTENDERS AGREED UPON AT THE BEGINNING OF THE RACE," you seemed to be implying (as many others on BF have done) that the other (Hillary) did not play by the rules. So if you're agreeing she has played by the rules, then I was misstaken.

Along those lines, maybe you don't realize a couple of things: 1) Obama has not won the "GODDAMN CONTEST" (talk about sensitive), as you claim. The number of pledged delegates does not determine the nomination, unless one party hits the magic number ... and neither one is going to. Both will need to convince the superdelegates ... so the "GODDAMN CONTEST" is not over 2) There are still several million people who would like to vote. It's not likely, but it's possible that HC may overtake Obama in the popular vote. If she does, do you really want to argue that the pledged delegates is more representative of the will of the people than the popular vote? Good luck, if you do. Again ... the "GODDAMN CONTEST" is not over 3) The delegate and popular vote numbers would be much closer if the Obama campaign hadn't stonewalled a re-vote in Florida and Michigan. Talk about a "big mistake in this election." If those states aren't seated, or if they're only seated after a nominee is chosen, or if they're arbitrarily divided, you might as well write off those states ......... and probably a few other borderline states where you'll have a bunch of very angry Dem voters. In this regard, the "GODDAMN CONTEST" might as well be over.

Oh yeah - then there's your unwritten/implied rules. Hillary never "crossed the aisle" and "embraced the Rethuglican nominee-in-waiting." She pointed out that experience would be a major issue in the general election and stated that McCain would point to his experience, Hillary to hers, and you'd have to ask Obama about his. She also never endorsed McCain, said he was "better" experienced, or would make a better CIC, as several others have claimed. These statements got your panties in a bunch? Oh well .......... it's called an election.

BTW - "Whineman"? When you said you were a "bIg BoY nOw" I took that to mean you were an adult ............ not (literally) a big "boy." ............... My bad again.

Have YOU and the other Hillaryinistas Gotten McCain Tickets?

B/c your support of a bullying, bigoted, sleazy candidate strictly b/c she's, well, female SURE feel like a warm handshake for McCain, RobertJones!

Is that ...

... even a sentence?

I'm pissed

How can you possibly compare a genius like Peter Sellers with a major nothing like Mrs. Bill Clinton?

Clinton, when you endorse

Clinton, when you endorse John McCain, you are betraying the overwhelming majority of Americans. Clinton, I dont know why, but you seem to have no idea how angry most Americans are, with Republicans. Clinton, you dont seem to understand how angry Americans are about the Disaster in Iraq. As a Democratic so-called leader, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to endorse anything Conservative in our name.

AMEN! NOT IN MY NAME!

When Hillar sat down with the enemy, Mellon Scaife's Rag and went on FOXTV, she has betrayed us. The only reason that any Democrat would do such a foul deed, is that you are trolling for votes from the Republicans, you know, those crossover voters who followed their dear drugged leader, Rush, which brought you the "wins" last voting day. (And for you Hillary supporters, don't whine about this, until you have actually looked it up. It is the truth). Not the Democrats, nor even the Independents, but the very people who will never vote for you in the General.

If any Democrat does not know that the Republican Party, (not all members of that party), are the enemy, you had better look it up. What do they say about Liberals? They have made it into a dirty name. Ann Coulter says that we should all be rounded up and shot. They are forever telling the world that we are traitors, soft on crime and terrorism, tax and spend, welfare believers, god-less....

The Conservative Right-wing nuts have taken over that Party. Once they either get rid of those types or just stop listening to them, they would not be an enemy.

Once there was a time, when you would battle over important issues, and then the vote was done, fairly and honestly, and whichever Party won, celebrated, but then the President worked for ALL Americans. Supposedly, John Wayne said about JFK, "I did not vote for him. But now, he is my President"! Don't know if this is true, but that is where we need to be. The people and the President must work together and remember, we are all Americans, equally.

Until the General Election is over, we are Democrats. Give no aide to the enemy. Give no quarter! Those who do, are not to be trusted.

Questions that Hillary Must Answer, Now!

1. How can Americans' trust your judgment on answering the phone call at anytime of the day or night, after your failure to read the Intelligence Report? Any American with a heartbeat and a thinking brain knew that this was wrong. But to give Mr. Bush any authority to do more than go after Bin Laden in Afghanistan was stupid! Why did you?
2. You claim that being married to a President gives you the "passed the test" qualifications for being a nominee. My being married to a surgeon, certainly does not qualify me to do surgery. Why do you think it qualifies you to be President?
3. How does your voting for Cluster Bombs allow you to say that you care for children? These weapons look like toys to children, when they land on the ground, unexploded. Why would you vote for that and Land Mines? Except for your lobbying money from the military industrial complex. http://providencedailydose.com/2008/02/21/hillary-and-the-arms-industry/
4. How dare you even talk about what Senator Obama's minister says in his church, when you list this man and his whole cult as your Spiritual Adviser? http://www.motherjones.com/cgi-bin/print_article.pl?url=http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2007/09/hillarys-prayer.html
5. It depends upon what the meaning of the word "Is", is! I defended your husband against these attacks, because no sitting President should ever be questioned about his sex life. Only about what you have done in fulfilling your duties as President.

You and he were both questioned about this during the election year of 1992, and both you and he lied to the American people. And because of those lies, you put the country through a very messy eight years. Because of this, the "People's Business" was not done.

Why bring this up? Because, once again, you have lied to the American people. It was not a "slip of the tongue" or a "Mis-statement". You had said it three or four times, since January 2008. The first time, could be faulty memory. The second time, might not have had enough time to check on it and hell, you had gotten away with it. But by the fourth time, you had to know that this was a lie. Telling us a lie, on top of all the other "qualified for office" lies, (Ireland, Border, fought against NAFTA....) showed us that you are not qualified for the Office of the President of the United States of America. We have lived seven years with nothing but lies coming out of that office and all the other offices of the Bush Administration. And look where that has gotten us. No thank you! A small fib, okay. A small embellishment, okay. But, out-right, checkable, provable lies, with so many witnesses to the actual facts and on "Memorex"? You either thought that we were stupid or that you would never be found out.

Tell me why, after all of this, should you be qualified to be President! Can you?

You claimed when you were questioned about this, that you mis-spoke. You were tired and that you speak millions of words each day. You do not speak millions of words every day. Nobody can! So, in your moment of being honest about your lie, you told another lie. Or was that another embellishment?

I want truthfulness as a policy, respect of the Constitution and of the American People in my next President. I know everyone makes mistakes and I am willing to overlook them, but not when your life and campaign are built upon them. If you lie to me now, you will lie to me always. Perfection, no, but I want someone who at least is trying to be truthful, trying to build toward "Perfection".

The Obvious, Odious Results of the Ostrich Doctrine......

LBOR:

You raise some very good points and many of the questions, I too, have had about her credibility and the role it plays in her campaign. It is one of the primary reasons I have problems with Hillary supporters. Either they harbor some aspects of the Repugs to totally ignore the realities before their eyes (Bush's many deficiencies, for exam.); or there is something MORE SINISTER going on here. I fear, it gives many closeted BIGOTS (whether they are Repug transients here, or confused Dems), a chance to express, fundamentally, what is a duplicitous conversation. There are SOME--no matter HOW many flaws, fabrications, and yes, out-right LIES---you expose about Hillary---they will NEVER vote for Obama; some even profess to---(horror of horrors)---voting for McSame. This site, and the ability to hide behind anonymity, gives many of them the opportunity to denigrate Obama on either the flimsiest of factors...or re-hashed media distortions.

Time and again, they immediately regurgitate the lies of Hill's camp, only to find out two days later, (or one), that the info was false--does it matter? No, it never seems to convince them to re-consider their first stance. That goes FAR beyond a mere campaign loyalty. Conversely, one HAS to, (in fairness), at some point, ask ones self: IF Obama had committed ANY of the offenses you itemized, what would his status be right now? I think you know the answer. If Obama had been found to have lied about his NAFTA experience or blamed HER for what he has done (Canadian Gov't scandal), how would they have blasted Obama? I think you know. If Obama had lost 11 primaries in a row, and 13 out of 15,---what would the clamor be? I think you know. If Obama operated his camp as fiscally irresponsibly as Hill has run hers--not paying bills, etc., what would the pundits say? I think you know.

IF these items are NOT a factor, then WHY has Hill's camp taken on the timbre of 'we're the candidates of the WHITE WORKING CLASS', and presenting themselves as being the populist 'protectors' of this class. Conversely, this stance implies that, Obama, is the BLACK HARVARD PROFESSIONAL who, those like him, have taken your jobs, and been privileged, etc. You saw some of this recently, when some of them have claimed, that his wife has been so blessed by America--yet, she professes to hate it. And Obama himself is the scion of the 'latte-sipping, Volvo driving, elites'....who are only out to deprive them of 'their right to vote'---this is nonsense, and they know it. But they still abide by the Ostrich Doctrines and bury their heads in the sand about it.

In addition to the items you listed, AND, if there IS some sense of their being impartially fair about this, then they would have, at least, QUESTIONED the following:

1) Her 35 years of 'experience! By this standard, Mrs. Bush has, at least, 12
years of experience to be President.
2) Her claim that she has won the 'Big States', you know, the IMPORTANT ones, the only
ones that count---the ones where Dem voters won't vote for the Dem candidate in Nov.
2) Her constant aligning of herself and McSames 'readiness' and the lies about Obamas lack
of the same.
4) Her flip-flop lies about her 'toughness'--yet, when it benefits her, or is necessarily
expedient, she whines that they're trying to pick on her...for being a 60 yr.old 'girl'.
5) Her having the rules bent, broken, and twisted EVERY possible way to accomodate her
failed candidacy.(See: Texas caucus primaries and NY's 80 precincts including Harlem)
where Obama did not receive nary a vote.
6) Her (and Bills), current policy of (with media assistance), perpetrating the lies that,
by continuing on 'til the convention--is actually good(?) for the party! Despite, every
knowledgeable party insider saying this is simply not so.

I could go on, but you get my point, here are, at least, 10 items between the two of us that they could address w/o getting guarded or personal about it. But, instead, they'll go on with the same tedious, vacuous arguments that will allow Hillary to 'bravely' continue on, until somebody finally gives this narcissistic harpy what she wants.......and to hell with the rest of us;......and ALL of us.

Now that's funny!

... Hillary supporters are all blind, closeted bigots/racists who only support this "narcissistic harpy" because they're able to totally ignore reality.

.... but no need to get guarded or personal about it.

Hillary shouldn't get a 'do over'.

Your questions need to be answered. I want a president who will gather all information available and then make a decision, not based on political desires but reality. Hillary has been testing the winds for years. We must have a POTUS we can trust to make the best decision at the time, based on the best available information. The USA needs a president who can bridge the gaps within our country and is willing to create a dialog with our international neighbors. (I consider the whole world to be our neighbor.) I want a president who can be honest with us and doesn't fear having a truthful conversation about difficult topics. In the age of the internet and You Tube, the truth will eventually be exposed. Old style campaigns are a thing of the past. Hillary is learning this. Obama appears to understand the modern world.

The DLC...

...believes it owns the Democratic Party, and seem willing to crash and burn it if their horse can't win.

Somebody is willing to help it crash and burn....

and it is not the DLC. The heavy moneyed people, as the letter to Congresswoman Pelosi proved, are backing Hillary. They are the ones who are threatening, if their Hillary doesn't win, they will take all their money from the DLC and go play somewhere else. Wonder where that may be.....the Republican dirty pool? They need not worry. Senator Obama's campaign has shown that we will support those who are working for our Party. The DLC won't need money from the spoiled, rich Brats!

I fear for a fair election in the Democratic Primaries. How is it possible, that in 80 predominately Black prescient in New York City, Senator Obama did not get even ONE vote? Impossible! But it happened! Look up the problems in New Hampshire. Even problems in California and other states. Zero votes is impossible! Worry people.

We don't do this. But, it is being done. Shame!

I know that we have to go out and vote so heavily in the General Election, that the Republicans', who own all of the electronic voting machines, can not steal it, again.

The Supreme Court is one of the most important reason that we must have a Democratic President by next January!

The 5 Questions

Thank you Last Bastion for your great summary of concerns about Clinton. I was totally frightened by HRC's involvement with the Fellowship that includes Brownback and Santorum. What is it with Sen. Clinton? Does she feel that the only way to beat the "vast Right Wing Conspiracy" is to join them? And the interview with Mellon Scaife's rag?!? WTF??? Time to put this candidacy to bed, and let the grown ups get down to the business of repairing the world.