Obama and the Personal History of Hurt: Why 'Sweetie' Leaves a Sour Taste

Missfitz...you and B@B...are MY idea of STRONG WOMEN! I can't help but admire you both for telling it like it is, rather than succumbing to that 'jumping on the boat" mentality that I think, mars true feminism.

Christine's account is just that---much ado about nearly nothing. She wants to use a nondescript incident and align it with the womens movement to make a vacuous point; when there are countless stories she could cite that truly depicts REAL womens struggles today. Whats so shameful about it is....she's so busy stating an "injustice", then "qualifying" it every other sentence...that it winds up the equivalent of making no point at all.

I'd venture to say that Obama, having been reared by two strong-willed women (his mother & grandmother); and then marrying another one, in addition, is probably RAISING two strong future ones---in his daughters, Obama is surrounded by so many such women---"sweetie"--is just that--a Freudian slip, or a term of endearment, nothing more.

Careful, Christine....you call "wolf" too many times over non-issues...there won't be anyone listening when you have valid reasons to REALLY do so.

In addition to all that you've referenced Doc, feminism, as presented today, by many of that, say, Steinem and Ferraro era, appear to come across, to many of the women I know, as "self-serving".

For working-class women, "feminism" to some, is a luxury of upper middle-class, white women. For working women like, say, those who worked, (and work), for Wal-Marts, I find it hard to see how they can reconcile supporting in the name of 'feminism", a nominee, who, while working on this company's board----contributed to them being denied managerial positions, equal pay, and pregnancy leave.

My point is, for THOSE grunting out a meager existence...working; the "game" of "feminism"--is just that to them...a game! Sometimes employed against them...by their own kind---and they know it!

... You just answered your own question.

... between a girlfriend/boyfriend or husband/wife calling each other "Sweetie" - as compared to a man using that term in a public/professional setting with a woman who's doing her job? I personally don't think it was a huge deal, but it was clearly inappropriate in that context.

You know, Creep.....I've been reading your little delusional diatribes on this thread the last couple of days; restraining myself from commenting...because I wanted to see, if over a period of time, there would be, at least, ONE FAIR AND BALANCED ASSESSMENT made by you concerning Obama.

And not ONCE, have you deigned fit to describe Obama with what could be construed as a FAIR statement. For example, you take your asinine and juvenile comments made here, and try to compare them with some hypothetical conjecture YOU have concocted.

Hypothetical, (and delusional), in two senses. One, you IMAGINE what Hillarys consequences WOULD be if she uttered some dread epitaph of racial disrepect, well, duh!...aren't YOU the same ignorant ASS-hole that had been defending her, lo, those many months, when her campaign HAD DONE JUST THAT; both verbally and non-verbally; implied, and otherwise. If you had the sense of a brain-dead, road-kill possum--you twerp----you wouldn't have had to "imagine" it---IT WAS WHAT COST HER A NOMINATION------you dim-witted dolt!

Two, AS YOU ALWAYS DO...you make defenses based solely on YOUR recollections and interpretation of what YOU THINK happened---well, you know what?---SCREW your memory!!
Post those "tapes" you cite--and I'll judge for myself---if she "was shocked by his crude and off putting manner when he used that reference..." You have done this throughout the entire body of your input on BF. Giving, (and supplanting), YOUR opinion, and subscribing it as referential FACT. ITS BULLSHIT. The way I READ IT---she didn't appear, to anyone there, "to be offended"---now what?---since, like you, I didn't post a reference-------its MY word against YOURS!

Which brings me to another aspect of your sanctimonious, pompous, self-righteous spiels. The idea that you have, by virtue of your long (and odious), "association" with Buzzflash----the right to judge who, by virtue of their length of time here (presumably), compared to yours--can, or cannot, BE WHO THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS NOW, therefore, THEIR opinion--when compared to YOURS--is, somehow, less voluble.

Well, for certain, Dems are no longer: the philosophically bankrupt, morally effete, jelly-spined, facing-backwards, self-deluding, bitter, frustrated, prehistoric relics like you, and that crazed, ranting fool---Neva Stoltz---You internet-anchored, anti-social, cyber-hermitically challenged misfits who still insist on jerking yourselves off in twisted remembrances of days gone by; those inglorious days when everyone else still embraced your sycophantic psychoses of non-reality based detachments, and escapist lunacies of "Kumbaya"-Lieberman-like moments dancing with Repugs all bare-ass naked around your joint-politico camp-fire fantasies. No, THAT IS OVER....and your kind just CAN'T LET IT GO.

You (and Neva Stoltz) both, are like some bad moderate-centrist, Democratic, Hollywood extras from a bad B-Movie. You fools are Dems left over from the hey-day of that grand B-Movie actor Ron Reagan. You loved HIM AND THOSE DAYS And you haven't been able to let go since. You all still yearn for those days of Reagan's B-movies; You folks don't want to face now, or face tomorrow, you just want to face backwards; back to those "nostalgic" days, those days when our "heroes" still wore white hats, rode white horses, when they saved "damsels in distress", when the cavalry came to save America, when movies were in black-and-white (and so was everything you believed in in America); when the "buck stopped somewhere"--(and you could still buy something with it); those days when you all yearned for John Wayne, (but since he was no longer available)---you all settled for Reagan. The "hero"----back when they weren't zero's; back when "fair was square" and Ron rode "tall in the saddle" and "rode off or on---into the sunset". Ron Reagan with the "itchy trigger finger"; The B-movie actor who became president (thanks to Dems like you two), selling his saber rattling, and his mad policy of war door-to-door, with his "get off my planet by sundown" mentality. The man was "marine" tough, "Bogart" tough, "Cagney" tough, "cheap-steak" tough---a Madison Avenue masterpiece of mush--a "cotton-candy" politician--"presto-macho". But civil rights, womens rights, gay rights---to Ron,--its all wrong! Ron knew 'first one'll want freedom----then they'll ALL be wanting it"---So Ron "gave 'em hell"---those "liberal" Democrats. And all you moderate, "centrist" Dems loved it. Reagans policies had (have) you all so screwed up now---you don't know if you want to be Matt Dillon or Bob Dylan.

If your previous nonsensical postings are any indication-----then you need to seriously wake up---because you have been in a dogmatic dream-state for some time now. If all your many years of posting, and contributing, to BF has only led you to falsely, come to the conclusion that ALL ELSE ARE MAD and only you still "see the light", that somehow, poor Buzzflash have erred in their ways and become "lost"---then you need to perhaps, read Shakespeare's handling of 'mad" individuals, and apply accordingly; or you simply need to check yourself.

You self-serving fools no longer serve any purpose, or cause; for your "crusades" to "save" the "Holy Grail"--that is Hillary....no longer has a base in reality. If you continue to insist pursuing one-way arguments about her non-existent, (or irrelevant), value...then, you bring only strife and turmoil. Look at you. You're too idealogically blind, or too inured in your own manure to see that THERE IS NO MORE HILLARY ARGUMENTS TO MAKE HERE --that ship has sailed. No one is harping on THAT anymore---but YOU. The time is past. Whether HRC deserved it (the candidacy), or not, THAT is no longer relevant. Whether she actually did THIS, or said THAT, is no longer germane. And for YOU to keep, with each and every post, reciting, and regurgitating, the same old right-wing talking points, supposedly certified by, and considered valid, because YOU, as the PROPER DEMOCRAT has ordained it so--makes you no better than a Limbaugh drive-by; and it is VERY ingenuous OF YOU, and injurious TO US (as a party). So you need to evaluate whether you are going to move forward in a unified fashion toward support of the CHOSEN nominee; or are you going to continue (MR. self-professed, long-time Democrat)--down this road of disruption.

Now is the time to devise and fashion your verbal arguments for the only REAL confrontation that awaits us now, i.e., the one with the REPUBLICANS, NOT your "lets see what I can conjure up about ol' Obama today" screeds...that you're getting noted for. This is not a warning to you--but a foreboding reckoning---you either find someplace else to take your divisive BULLSHIT; "get with the program" as its defined here....or I will make sure that from here on out ----you will be defending your bullshit against ME---EVERYDAY; because I'm going to keep you so tied up defending yourself against MY attacks on YOU----you won't have the time to spell Obama's name. Consider that......WORD!

And get all instantaneously pious--you coward! For weeks, you have "respectfully"--(sure!), doled out your insidious little brand of "Hillary-Funk"---whether solicited--or not. And tried your best to cower others "under cover of commentary" into your special form of "critical debate". When your little warped observations are projected back to you---you want to pretend you've been equivocating with the piety of a Catholic priest. Its all just a part of your self-duplicitous, lying nature----and its no wonder you are morally and politically bankrupt. If you interpret my tone against you as "threatening"--then maybe you'll pause next time you think you have the right to define who is, and who is not, a "Democrat". As far as your "cite" here, as verification of what a foul and vile person Obama is---its typical of your slanted, bigoted research, and is,---what made me come after you in the first place, that is, your unfairness (AS A SO-CALLED "DEMOCRAT" TO OTHER DEMOCRATS),....you are no Democrat, but a despicable, bias partisan little creep. You could have just as easily, (and fairly), went one-step further and found this: "Chatting about the incident later on-air with the station's news anchors, Agar said she wasn't offended he called her sweetie. "Not really," she said. "I felt more offended that he didn't answer the question." http://www.chicagotribune.com/news... BUT, INSTEAD YOU CHOSE TO DO OTHERWISE. See? We can do this dumb dance all day long---if you like. But, again, my point about you is...you can't take what you dish out---so you want to B***H (this makes you feel better?) about it like a little girl! You wrote: "I support Hillary. I do not support Obama. But I have been respectful. I have never been abusive"......REALLY? I don't think Drprodny would agree with that assessment of yours; but, how do you "love" us...let me count the ways..... "I feel they have conspired to cheat Hillary of the nomination. And remember, if we vote for McCain, the Obamaloons will need 2 votes to just get even..." "I won't vote for this fraud, Obama. I knew Bush was a fraud long before Day One. My instincts have not failed me. Obama is a GOP in Sheep's clothing. Believe me, I know a Republican no matter what they call themselves. And I won't vote for Obama...." "What hogwash!........It was just such an illustration of how Hillary's campaign is upbeat and passionate and the reality of Obama's speechifying BS "Me thinks you all are insane! Yes there is plenty of blame to go around...NO THERE ISN'T!! Your side has the full blame. But you can't accept blame. The closest you come to accepting blame is saying there is plenty of blame to go around. You all have learned well from Rove and his criminal friends. Yes, it is easier to run a campaign when you can lie with out fear of being called on it....." "I am sickened by this site now. Mean, nasty, obnoxious, arrogant, insipid, stupid, hypocritical, and wrong.... "I will not support or vote for Obama. I will vote for McCain. I may even work for him. And I dislike McCain. But I fear, hate and detest what Obama is and represents.... "drprodny.....So why are you here? Have you ever voted for a Democrat or are you a right wing troll who makes as much sense as your posts. Sorry I ever responded to such a troll.....I resent the tone of a poster like drprodny.... "He has brought so many new voters into the race that....they don't vote for him? Do I understand the logic the Obamaloons use?....." And all this is just in the last week---however, there are many more such examples in that same period----but, I think you get MY point. Yeah, you've been MIGHTY "respectful"--if this is RESPECT, then define for me---how are the Repugs any different than you? AND, if they are not----THEN WHAT DOES THAT MAKE YOU? And just to show you its not just me, or only MY opinion of you, let us cite one "neutral" observation of YOU--made recently: "Who Are You? Submitted by Carol Burns on Thu, 05/15/2008 - 4:53am. "From your comments, it appears you're just some right-wing blogger, typically hate-filled remarks ala Limbaugh. Why don't you get a life?......" So how do you suppose SHE mixed you up with a Repug? maybe its because of the CONTENT of what you've said? You see, you say "tomato", I say "tamatto"---but, I bet you ONE THING-----no one is confused about where my loyalties lie. So you can pretend my "cussin'" offends your delicate constitution---and THIS may be so, ABELLE-50....... But to me, to hear your treasonous, Lieberman-like comments, sans the cussing, is just as EQUALLY OFFENSIVE to MY ears----so grow up, if you can't take the heat....as I've said before...you need to go where your "insights" are appreciated........wimp.

You, however, as usual, have proven NOTHING. Your asinine "rebuttal" was ALMOST not even worthy of a response. But, the idea of you stroking your over-sized narcissism with the notion that you have had the last word...I could not let slide.

In terms of your use of "Obamaloon", or whatever, that does not faze me one way or another, unlike YOU...I happen to think you can say WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY about me, or anyone else--just be prepared to deal with the consequences of it. The problem here, however, stems from the fact that you think YOU can "respect" others here , but yet, somehow, YOU should be above, or excused, from ad hominem attacks----YOU ARE NOT!

You wrote concerning your views or opinions: "Perhaps they are too reasonable (??!?) and they make you nervous....' see? Your gargantuan ego ACTUALLY makes you think you've expressed some relevant point in Hillary's defense. You indicated I refused to show how your posts were wrong; No, what I refused to do was waste my own time uselessly going back and forth with you on trivial points and postings of links--that do nothing TO ALTER YOUR OBTUSENESS.

You have proven you are not capable of dealing with facts or reality; other than your own version of it; so therefore, no matter what I "prove" to you,---and your ilk; you are what you are---delusional. Much like that deluded, false idol you all seem to worship so vociferously. She toys with reality at the expense of factual truth, much like you self-deceiving parrots.

You wrote: "Just because I state my distaste for Obama and his campaign, that does not make me insane. First of all, I don't recall anyone ever indicating you were insane---you SAY many insane things, but, THAT does not make you INSANE; so does President Bush..(ok, bad example)..but, maybe its just you expressing here a Freudian slip, of sorts,......you know something about you----we just SUSPECT??

But, you do need to keep in mind the admonitions of Ralph Waldo Emerson: "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds..." as you have abundantly demonstrated on this thread with your many imbecilic posts that conflict with all everyone else reads, sees, and knows about your precious Hillary.

But if there was ever a self-fulfilling definition of INSANITY.....you just stated it here. You are so wrapped up in your own petty self-interests of ego gratification that you will, as you stated,...."I so dislike him and what his advisers stand for that I will vote for his opponent..." Its self-evident---there is no need for me to comment on it. And you can transfer your responsibility (and Blame), over to me, all you like; YOU are the author of your own destruction, (and ours); If anyone here professes to you what is SANE LOGIC, that is, WE need to pull together to win---then you childishly berate them as admitting to some "weakness". In addition, you petulantly peddle your vote like a prostitute selling her wares---to the highest bidder---in this case, McCain't. So we'll let the readers here decide for themselves the merits of your arguments vs. mine.

Your state of mind, (as expressed here), and your self-betrayal of what you profess to have been the long-standing foundations of your belief system, shows just how flimsy the premise upon which you have built those beliefs truly rest! If you can so cavalierly discard your "long-time Democrat" standing---on the basis that you didn't get the candidate of your choice, shows to ANY fair-minded observer that---YOU CAN'T BE TRUSTED!.....Because YOU HAVE LIED TO YOU!

TRY to, for once, step outside of your own egocentric skin--and walk in anothers for a second. I, as an African-American, have had to, for the space of my life-time, vote for MANY a white person that didn't value me as much as his own pet. I have seen bigots, racists, nepotistic undeserving off-spring, drunks, perverts, child molesters, wife-beaters, rapists, war-mongerers..you name it....all elected to political positions in this country---with no questions asked; yet, somehow, white America found it in their hearts to understand; to forgive, these members of their own race.....AND EXPECTED MY VOTE AS A MATTER OF DOING BUSINESS!

I have seen my own relatives run out of the South in the middle of the night, for standing up during the Civil Rights movement. I have seen Black Men hosed, attacked by dogs, shot by cops, beaten unconscious, left on City curbs to die, and some, that have simply, given up. I saw them die for the "privilege", not "right", of Affirmative Action; which truthfully, White Women have benefited from--far more then Blacks--Male or female; yet, the mythos is---they, as a fellow "minority"--relate to MY plight as a Black Man, yet, now that the time has come to PROVE this "support'...many of them, see only their own interests as relevant. Even though, it could be argued, that MANY white women DID NOTHING to earn those Affirmative Action privileges in the first place....

I have flown many midnight sorties over America's cities--protecting, and watching over the likes of you while you snored, contentedly, through your little dreams of Pax Americana. Yet despite all this, and to some (whites) credit, many of them now see Obama for what he is.....A MAN...perhaps, the one with the BEST answers---AS IT SHOULD BE.

Then comes you. If I can live a life subject to the whims of individuals I have come pretty close to hating, (like Bush); If I can live, and perhaps, IN SOME WAYS, even flourish, under individuals, I'm sure---you're responsible for placing in office; then you need to understand...YOU can, for once in your miserable existence, learn to live under conditions YOU may not find so digestable--its called "maturity"; its called "life".... This isn't about a "Black" thing...for a "Black Man"---as so many of you bigot-types want to simplistically make it, its not even about 'blind' support; you under-estimate us-----its about the time has come for a different perspective; perhaps even, a different "truth"...this may be what frightens so many of you idealogically-challenged "supporters" of Hillary.

And you, with your damn little selfish desires---need to learn...IT AIN'T ALL ABOUT YOU...WHITE MAN.